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If it's +</I>>>><i> better that msec do not send emails by default, I think this change +</I>>>><i> should be done in cauldron only, maybe with some note about this change +</I>>>><i> in the release notes for Mageia 2. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>><i> Agree. +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> A question : wouldn't changing the default in _both_ cauldron and an update +</I>><i> to mga1 be acceptable ? +</I> +I think stable updates should not change defaults. + +><i> Since I really think that sending messages silently to dead.letter, +</I>><i> gradually filling up the disk is a bug. (When I first discovered the +</I>><i> problem on my system a few years ago, dead.letter used about 1G of disk +</I>><i> space.) +</I>><i> That is what happens with the default setting, if an MTA is not installed. +</I>><i> At the default settings with an MTA installed, the root mailbox gradually +</I>><i> fills up the disk, if it is not emptied. And a less informed user is +</I>><i> unlikely to realise this. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> So it seems to me that as a minimum, the default should be changed to _not_ +</I>><i> send alert emails. Since the status is visible on the main msec screen, +</I>><i> informed users should have no problem appropriately adjusting the setting. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> To deal with the potential problem of users who use the email alert feature +</I>><i> having it deactivated by the update, we only need a warning in the update, +</I>><i> as often occurs for other packages. +</I> +Updates should not require manual changes. And not everybody read the +update logs from urpmi. People can expect important changes when upgrading +to a new version of the distribution, and that's why there is release +notes to explain the important changes, but not for stable updates. + +><i> Something like "If you use the msec alert emails, please verify that the +</I>><i> alerts are still active." Note that if the user has ever explicitly set +</I>><i> alerts, they would be still active. +</I>><i> This potential problem would exist even if the next update for the user is +</I>><i> mga2. +</I>><i> However, if the update is on mga2 (from changes in cauldron), wouldn't the +</I>><i> change in defaults be less visible ? +</I>><i> +</I>>>><i> - adding a require or suggest on dma is wrong, especially in an update +</I>>>><i> Installing dma with the update will silently replace /usr/sbin/sendmail +</I>>>><i> to use dma instead of the previously installed mta, potentially breaking +</I>>>><i> email for all programs using the sendmail command. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>><i> Hum, if i'm not wrong dma has the lower priority (5) in the alternatives for +</I>>><i> sendmail-command so it should not replace the default mta : +</I>>><i> postfix has 30 , sendmail has 10. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> According to documentation, dma is only active if no other MTA is installed. +</I>><i> (I don't know if the priority is what causes this.) +</I>><i> So at worst dma would be a (very small) harmless extra install, at best it +</I>><i> would ensure the ability for local delivery. +</I> +Then dma could be installed by default on mageia 2, this would fix the +problem for all programs using the sendmail command, not only msec, +without adding a require on dma. + +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="008960.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] msec (nail) can't send reports to local users accounts - require an MTA? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="008964.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] msec (nail) can't send reports to local users accounts - require an MTA? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#8961">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#8961">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#8961">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#8961">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |