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This doesn't match +</I>><i> > requirements of Mageia +</I>><i> > * no innovations (because of vanilla) +</I>><i> > * a rolling core system has a negative correlation with it's stability +</I>><i> > * heavy work load +</I>><i> > * ... +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > So, I don't ask for a copy of Arch nor any other distribution. I asked +</I>><i> > (although it wasn't my idea) for something new. An compromise: a light +</I>><i> > rolling release. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Further lack of clarity? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> So basically what people call a "light" rolling release in this thread +</I>><i> is a rolling release where packages are tested and integrated? And +</I>><i> what you call a (non-light) rolling release is a development rolling +</I>><i> release (cooker, cauldron…) where packages are just dropped without +</I>><i> prior security checked as fast as they are made available by their +</I>><i> respective authors? +</I> +Then light is what arch does. They do tests before migrating. Now, this +can be done faster because the integration is minimal, per philosophy +( ie, you take care of configuration and fixing everything ). Heck, we +could even fully automate that with mdvsys upgrade. + +><i> If so, I would say, yeah obviously "light" (I find this naming quite +</I>><i> paradoxical then) is the kind of rolling I would like. And that's not +</I>><i> that new, that's the kind of rolling release in Gentoo (which I found +</I>><i> much more stable than my years of experience in Mandriva, and also +</I>><i> more peaceful as I don't have to fear the big update every 6 months +</I>><i> which will definitely break a lot of small stuffs everywhere at once). +</I> +Having lost access to my server for a whole weekend due to a library +upgrade on Gentoo ( some stuff linked to libncurses or libreadline, so +no more shell ), I beg to disagree. + +Also, gentoo seems to be updating more slowly nowadays :/ hence the +stability + +><i> Also yes, I guess this could be simulated using the current backport +</I>><i> system becoming a supported repo (with package getting appropriately +</I>><i> tested and the right integration into the distribution done). I don't +</I>><i> say this is the ideal system, but that can be a first step in the +</I>><i> evolution. +</I> +The problem is that the more testing we add, the more ressources it +requires, and the more time it requires. And soon, people will complain +that "packages are too old". + +But if that what people want, we can have the same QA for backports and +for updates. But then I hope there will be many testers. +-- +Michael Scherer + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="005651.html">[Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="005681.html">[Mageia-dev] Release cycles proposals, and discussion +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#5669">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#5669">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#5669">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#5669">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |