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<B>Wolfgang Bornath</B>
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<I>Wed Mar 21 23:34:24 CET 2012</I>
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<PRE>2012/3/21 Florian Hubold <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-sysadm">doktor5000 at arcor.de</A>>:
><i> Am 21.03.2012 20:39, schrieb Maât:
</I>>><i> On 21/03/2012 17:18, Romain d'Alverny wrote:
</I>>>><i> On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 14:57, Romain d'Alverny<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-sysadm">rdalverny at gmail.com</A>>  wrote:
</I>>>>><i> [...]
</I>>>><i> Steps taken so far (removing one level of indirection):
</I>>>><i>   * Sysadmins group:
</I>>>><i>     - removed;
</I>>>><i>   * Administrators group:
</I>>>><i>     - added sysadmin members who have not bee inactive for too long; I
</I>>>><i> still didn't look up full sysadmins list for that, but this can now be
</I>>>><i> managed by them directly;
</I>>>><i>     - added boklm as leader;
</I>>>><i>     - removed ash who has not been active in the forum and the project
</I>>>><i> for several months;
</I>>>><i>     - don't know what to do with forumadmin user (neither what it's for);
</I>>><i> It's the first user created at install: it was used to create the other
</I>>><i> admins with forum-founder bit set up (included yours)
</I>>><i>
</I>>><i> This account should not be used except for crash recovery or things like that
</I>>><i> (login impossible until ldap connexion is disengaged or an matching user is
</I>>><i> created in LDAP directory)
</I>>><i>
</I>>>><i>   * Moderators group:
</I>>>><i>     - demoted ash from leadership for the same reason.
</I>>>><i>
</I>>>><i> (as a reminder, this is not going to change at all how forum
</I>>>><i> moderators already operate).
</I>>>><i>
</I>>>><i> So now:
</I>>>><i>   - sysadmin members can organize to manage, update and answer forum
</I>>>><i> admin&  moderators, from code to deployment to online config;
</I>>>><i>   - it's up to a volunteer to get the forum admin role and coordinate
</I>>>><i> with moderators and sysadmins; s/he will have to be promoted in
</I>>>><i> Administrators and Moderators groups;
</I>>>><i>   - all groups, you decide then how you operate for the best.
</I>>>><i>
</I>>>><i> r.
</I>>><i>
</I>>><i> There are 2 things that were not adressed :
</I>>><i>
</I>>><i>  * Separation of forum administration on several "roles" which... oh
</I>>><i>    well forget about it... saying it once more will only demoralize
</I>>><i>    me... so let's do as if i did say nothing :-/
</I>>><i>  * Lack of PHP/PHPBB coding skills... Once that solved i'd fear to see
</I>>><i>    mongers and python experts reviewing PHPBB hacks... by the way
</I>>><i>    testing them in a testbed without a copy of the real database...
</I>>><i>    pushing them blindly with git and asking if a sysadmin could find 2
</I>>><i>    minutes to push them on the actives forums... waiting for the
</I>>><i>    mail/whatever notification to click on the interfaces (of each... a
</I>>><i>    chance we have only 2 of them) and run the update process (praying
</I>>><i>    god that everything will go as expected because the rollback given
</I>>><i>    this way of doing things is just something that you don't want to
</I>>><i>    get into)
</I>>><i>
</I>>><i> That's what i already pointed... half an admin... bound and distrusted... as
</I>>><i> useful as the ties allow to be (iow not very much).
</I>><i>
</I>><i> Sorry, just can't resist. You wrote in the other mail:
</I>><i>
</I>>><i> I already explained that separating these roles would bring no good... a pure
</I>>><i> "interface forum admin" is an emasculated admin... nearly useless. Without
</I>>><i> the ability of administrating the database at a low level adding indexes for
</I>>><i> tuning, optimizing cache and that sort of things, getting data from apache
</I>>><i> logs and various things to lock spammers without loading the system, without
</I>>><i> all these tasks a forum admin is, in facts, not a forum admin but just a
</I>>><i> figurine... beautiful in a glass case if in line with adornment ^^
</I>><i> On the other hand, what's an admin who does nothing except
</I>><i> being absent, not even doing forum software security updates?
</I>><i> These arguments from you are just laughable to me, sorry, but i,
</I>><i> for one, rather like to be true than to bite my lips.
</I>><i>
</I>><i> For a real world example, we have a few of such pure "emasculated"
</I>><i> interface forum admins as moderators at mandrivauser.de, and it's
</I>><i> perfectly enough to care for the day-to-day forum business.
</I>><i> But you seem to know much better, that's maybe also the reason
</I>><i> why the int. Mageia forum is currently doing so well overall.
</I>><i>
</I>><i> But i'll refrain to go on about this, to keep my blood pressure at sane levels.
</I>><i>
</I>>><i>
</I>>><i> (sigh)
</I>>><i>
</I>><i> Exactly.
</I>
Not much to add to this.
maât, you haven't understood it many months ago, I'm not surprised
that you don't understand it now. Setting up a forum can be done by
somebody like you or any other guy with the necessary technical
knowledge. Being a real admin in a forum involves more than that
technical knowledge.
But i'll refrain to go on about this, to save me from dieing of boredom.
--
wobo
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