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<B>Otto</B>
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<I>Sun May 22 02:19:50 CEST 2011</I>
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<PRE>There is also a script called "tuningdrake" developed from
<A HREF="http://blogdrake.net/">http://blogdrake.net/</A> that the user could install a lot of non-free stuffs
like sun java, adobe acrobat, etc. It works on mageia with that code
urpmi <A HREF="ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mandriva/2010.0/free/noarch/Tuningdrake-1.0.3-1bdk2010.0.noarch.rpm">ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mandriva/2010.0/free/noarch/Tuningdrake-1.0.3-1bdk2010.0.noarch.rpm</A>
You can read about it from mandriva Brazil wiki at
<A HREF="http://docs.mandriva-br.org/mandriva/utilidades/tuningdrake#instalando_o_tuningdrake">http://docs.mandriva-br.org/mandriva/utilidades/tuningdrake#instalando_o_tuningdrake</A>
cheers.
2011/5/21 Michael scherer <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">misc at zarb.org</A>>
><i> On Sat, May 21, 2011 at 04:59:43PM -0500, Dale Huckeby wrote:
</I>><i> > On Sat, 21 May 2011, Ahmad Samir wrote:
</I>><i> >
</I>><i> > >On 21 May 2011 21:46, Renaud (Ron) Olgiati
</I>><i> > ><<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org</A>> wrote:
</I>><i> > >>Will there be some such thing in place when Mageia is finally launched
</I>><i> ?
</I>><i> > >>
</I>><i> > >
</I>><i> > >No, simply because there's no need for a tool like that; easyurpmi was
</I>><i> > >mainly used by Mandriva users to add the PLF repos, in Mageia PLF is
</I>><i> > >replaced by the Tainted repo, which is added (but disabled) by
</I>><i> > >default.
</I>><i> >
</I>><i> > Simply no need? Maybe I'm misreading you or missing something but this
</I>><i> comes
</I>><i> > across as really arrogant in presuming what others (not you!) do or don't
</I>><i> need,
</I>><i> > and how and why people have "mainly" used easyurpmi in the past. How do
</I>><i> you
</I>><i> > know? Was there a poll that I didn't get included in? I've always found
</I>><i> > easyurpmi very convenient and not just for plf. I guess I didn't realize
</I>><i> how
</I>><i> > atypical I was.
</I>><i>
</I>><i> Easyurpmi, as I said in the past, suffer from various problems :
</I>><i>
</I>><i> - it is centralized. It is where people fighted to get included or not.
</I>><i> Every
</I>><i> group in the past forked ( some without any attribution ) the software to
</I>><i> be
</I>><i> listed as repository for their version, because the original maintainer
</I>><i> refused
</I>><i> to list every possible variations of every random rpm repositories.
</I>><i> Despites having wrote
</I>><i> docs on .urpmi-media file on the wiki, people prefered to reuse easyurpmi
</I>><i> out of
</I>><i> some form of cargo culting ( until easyurpmi decided to adopt the system ).
</I>><i>
</I>><i> This caused some frictions in the community, and some divisions due to X
</I>><i> instances of the software.
</I>><i>
</I>><i> - the code could have been much better. Olivier wrote it and he was not a
</I>><i> php coder, and
</I>><i> neither is Phillipe, the current maintainer. I think that the translation
</I>><i> system is
</I>><i> primitive and prone to problem. No one seemed to be motivated to rewrite,
</I>><i> despites
</I>><i> people fixing various problem.
</I>><i>
</I>><i> - the core of the system was still "here is a website that a new user
</I>><i> cannot find by
</I>><i> itself, that will give command that he doesn't understand, and that he need
</I>><i> to type as root,
</I>><i> after asking question that didn't made much sense for him". That's bad on
</I>><i> many levels :
</I>><i> - difficult to find for a new user.
</I>><i> - asking to type command as root first, and later "click on a link in your
</I>><i> browser and type after your
</I>><i> admin password", which is IMHO quite bad from giving wrong habits to
</I>><i> people.
</I>><i> - asking lots of questions, ( fixed later by using a simplified mode, that
</I>><i> use rpmdrake or
</I>><i> that fail silently )
</I>><i>
</I>><i> There is also some issue like "it requires a web browser" ( which is highly
</I>><i> problematic when you
</I>><i> are in a datacenter, setting up a server ). And "it doesn't use ssl" (
</I>><i> which is rather bad for a site that give you
</I>><i> basically software sources ). This one could be fixed, but that's quite
</I>><i> curious that no one
</I>><i> thought of it before. Maybe people do not care about security, and about
</I>><i> the content of a file that end
</I>><i> to be read by a software running as root.
</I>><i>
</I>><i> The discoverability issues still exist and could not be fixed because of
</I>><i> the nature of PLF/Mandriva.
</I>><i> The bad habits given to users is a direct consequence of the way it work.
</I>><i> The power struggle
</I>><i> part too is inherent to the system, and this would become worst if there is
</I>><i> a official instance
</I>><i> on Mageia servers.
</I>><i>
</I>><i> Since the discoverability issue should be fixed by simply having tainted
</I>><i> disabled by default and maybe
</I>><i> some popup whatever to enable it, I see no reason to suffer from the others
</I>><i> problems (
</I>><i> bad habits, power struggle ). People can install a clone of easyurpmi if
</I>><i> they want, but I will
</I>><i> oppose on having it on our servers, on having anything like this labelled
</I>><i> as official, and
</I>><i> would recommend to people to not deploy it.
</I>><i>
</I>><i>
</I>><i> --
</I>><i> Michael Scherer
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