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<H1>[Mageia-dev] [RFC] rsyslog vs journalctl</H1>
<B>Pascal Terjan</B>
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<I>Thu Feb 7 14:35:56 CET 2013</I>
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<PRE>On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 1:30 PM, Colin Guthrie <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>> wrote:
><i> 'Twas brillig, and Guillaume Rousse at 07/02/13 12:20 did gyre and gimble:
</I>>><i> Le 07/02/2013 12:40, AL13N a écrit :
</I>>>>><i> 'Twas brillig, and David Walser at 06/02/13 18:28 did gyre and gimble:
</I>>>><i> [...]
</I>>>>><i> What I guess we could to to avoid putting rsyslog on the physical media
</I>>>>><i> would be to put a versioned conflicts in the main systemd package with
</I>>>>><i> rsyslog and syslog-ng. Thus the old packages should be removed when
</I>>>>><i> upgrading (AIUI).
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</I>>>><i> not a really good idea imho, i have a server which uses rsyslog for
</I>>>><i> network remote syslogging... so upgrading that would break this.
</I>>><i> Indeed.
</I>>><i>
</I>>><i> Just because journal is installed (no choice here) shouldn't prevent to
</I>>><i> install a real syslog-daemon. I'd rather introduce another virtual
</I>>><i> package, such as syslog-daemon-minimal (or anything else), and lower the
</I>>><i> dependencies of basesystem to just require this last one.
</I>><i>
</I>><i> I'm not really sure what that gains... i.e. that's that's effectively
</I>><i> what we have right now with the current provides of syslog-daemon via
</I>><i> systemd itself.
</I>><i>
</I>><i> Arguably the semantics are wrong... e.g. it should really be called
</I>><i> "system-logger" or something more generic.
</I>><i>
</I>><i> But as things stand you no longer *need* to install rsyslog et al - it's
</I>><i> just an option. And as things stand right now, if rsyslog is included in
</I>><i> the media it will be upgraded happily and keep on running.
</I>
I was wondering if some packages(like fail2ban) may want to require a
traditional syslog
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