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<B>Maarten Vanraes</B>
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<PRE>Op vrijdag 06 januari 2012 13:02:26 schreef Thierry Vignaud:
><i> On 6 January 2012 12:27, Wolfgang Bornath <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>> wrote:
</I>><i> > This is a well known issue.
</I>><i> > To clear out the list you need a deep knowledge of the system to
</I>><i> > determine which packages are really not needed anymore.
</I>><i> >
</I>><i> > Lately this --auto-orphans line shreddered my whole system on a fresh
</I>><i> > install after the first update, several system services could not
</I>><i> > start at next reboot, applications did not run, etc. One of the very
</I>><i> > few times I had to re-install because of a bug. Call me newbie or
</I>><i> > pussy but until this is not a secure function I will never touch it
</I>><i> > again.
</I>><i>
</I>><i> This is just a bogus claim:
</I>><i> If some apps break after removing orphan packages, they'll break too
</I>><i> after manually removing such packages, meaning they lack some
</I>><i> requires...
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perhaps, to instill more confidence, we could:
- have only list the leaf orphans; which means of course, you can do it
multiple times, or maybe --recursive to give them all
- not to list in orphan list packages which don't contain any files: ie, tasks
- mention clearly that if they want to use some package, that they can install
it
- list separately and sorted the ones with changed access times? as in, they
have been used since install? (unless partition is mounted noatime, of
course... /o\
personally, orphans can break packages, but basesystem and basesystem-minimal
should both not be removed, perhaps we can even put on a warning if those are
not installed; when running --auto-orphans.
perhaps a combination of these options could instill more confidence... but...
is it worth it???
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