<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <HTML> <HEAD> <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Suggestions </TITLE> <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3C1287605636.7374.38.camel%40localhost.localdomain%3E"> <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002512.html"> <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002515.html"> </HEAD> <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions</H1> <B>David Coulette</B> <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3C1287605636.7374.38.camel%40localhost.localdomain%3E" TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions">dcoulette at yahoo.fr </A><BR> <I>Wed Oct 20 22:13:56 CEST 2010</I> <P><UL> <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002512.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions </A></li> <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002515.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions </A></li> <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> <a href="date.html#2526">[ date ]</a> <a href="thread.html#2526">[ thread ]</a> <a href="subject.html#2526">[ subject ]</a> <a href="author.html#2526">[ author ]</a> </LI> </UL> <HR> <!--beginarticle--> <PRE>Le mercredi 20 octobre 2010 à 16:05 +0200, Kristoffer Grundström a écrit : ><i> Right, but perhaps a video during the installation teaching them what </I>><i> they should know for future installations would help. </I>><i> </I>"In this video we will show you how not to wipe out all your precious data when repatitioning a harddrive, so that newt time you are more cautious. Cheers from the team" Providing educative material for beginners is a very good idea but ... definitely not in an installer : installing an operating system is always a risky procedure : the unknowing user should be guided or informed BEFORE even inserting the installation media. Educationnal material should be available through manuals, tutorial videos, or better direct help from a more advanced user. Trying to adapt the interface of a crucial piece of software to educate newbies is a recipe for disaster : - there's not limit on the amout of things people may not know so you end up targeting people who know nothing and anyway will need help from someone else. The attempt looks like trying to design a pen for people who don't know yet how to write. - the dumbing down of the interface bears the risk of making the installer harder to use by knowlegeable users, who act based on accurate and technical information. One could argue for multi-level interface but you'll have to make assumptions about the categories of users you create : apart from the usual "sensible_defaults/advanced" modes you would have to encompass the whole spectrum from absolute newbie to expert sysadmin. I'm not advocating making a text-mode obscure installer, just that the installer has a precise function : installing a system based on unequivocal input from the user. Auto-detection of hardaware and sensible defaults make the process easier and faster for the most common cases, but you can't always avoid requesting more "technical" input from the user. Your idea of video is a good one : you could even extend it to interactive ones. A web app acting as an installation simulator/tutor could ease the process greatly for new users, with no risk for their system. They could at least, during that "training session",be guided to gather the relevant data about their system and their configuration choices before doing the installation itself. IMHO separation of educationnal material from software interface make both better : - the educational material can be as verbose as necessary, adaptable to different kind of users. - the installer interface can do its job properly : provide accurate and effective data exchange between the user and the installer. Sorry for the long rant..;) I saw too many interfaces dumbed down to the point of being useless to everyone, newbies included. Cheers. </PRE> <!--endarticle--> <HR> <P><UL> <!--threads--> <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002512.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions </A></li> <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002515.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions </A></li> <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> <a href="date.html#2526">[ date ]</a> <a href="thread.html#2526">[ thread ]</a> <a href="subject.html#2526">[ subject ]</a> <a href="author.html#2526">[ author ]</a> </LI> </UL> <hr> <a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss mailing list</a><br> </body></html>