On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 09:11, Radu-Cristian FOTESCU
<beranger5ca@yahoo.ca> wrote:
To end this flamewar: when I decide to use a cauldron/cooker/rawhide/unstable system, I expect I will need to fix some breakages, but at least
(1) let me have a proper choice of kernels in GRUB, including the previous one;
(2) don't force UNRELEASED kernels on me!
This thread was certainly amused and very fruitful for at least my fortunes file, but may I suggest you to start using some other distribution or operating system which better satisfies your needs, and leave us, poor mortals, with Mandriva/Mageia stable/cooker/cauldron gnu/linux solutions - which work the way we love? :)
They are imperfect, they have unreleased versions all the time, they have breakages, upgrades, updates, flaws, problems, design issues, and so on - but this is fine for us!
Breaking a package is one thing, breaking the kernel is a totally different one.
And breaking a window is totally different as well, I agree :(. As well as breaking a leg for example, and breaking habits. And let us not forget that it is completely and if I might say, even oppository - to breaking a home run (all via
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/break)!
And no, I won't investigate anything, I'll not file any report on what it's not working with this kernel and my hardware.
Yep, I have already realized this, but thanks to confirming nonetheless :).
Regressions in kernels are the thing I hate the most in this world.
Yes, this is certainly one of the cruelest and merciless things in the world, I must agree.. :(
I've experienced kernel regressions in the past every 6 months with each and every Ubuntu release -- and those were kernels supposed to be tested well-enough.
Apparently they weren't. Let me apologize on behalf of Ubuntu developers and Linus Torvalds himself for not being proactive enough to make kernels work on your hardware, I believe that they will be really ashamed of themselves at the moment they'll read this. Sorry :(.
What I like in Linux is never the kernel.
This seems to be apparently contradictory to some other phrases, but I have to agree - I like never kernel, for example, the 3.0 seems to be great (for me!)
Never ever.
World is soooo busy those days...
It's monolithic, impossible to be properly tested, and managed by a stupid fat arrogant guy called Linus.
Yep, I agree, he will be even more ashamed of himself after reading this... :(
The only kernels I loved were 1.2.13 and1.3.18.
2.2.16 was pretty cool, and 2.4.1 with reiserfs was nice too, but yes, those new shiny trending things - even being a bit cool - are still among the most hated things, this is so very true :(. I have to confess that they must learn a thing or two from DOS - almost 30 years without a remote hole in default install, and working as stable and fast as possible since their first release!
After that, the kernel was just a nuisance -- like the government, the taxes, the Microsoft tax, etc.
Yep, I agree with you, the governments, taxes, Microsoft and its tax are almost as bad as kernel regressions (mentioned above), but they are still are a far cry from those!
But once again, let me apologize for the Linux community, Free Software developers, Linus Torvalds himself and - of course - mr. Richard Matthew Stallman for not being proactive enough in their efforts to make GNU/Linux working on your computer in most flawless and perfect way. I believe they feel really achamed now and as a sign of my support for their cause, and due to my involvement in the open source community, I will mourn those tragic events today with a minute of silence on this mailing list (starting now).