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<H1>[Mageia-dev] Deprecating startx</H1>
<B>Wolfgang Bornath</B>
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<I>Wed Mar 7 14:51:35 CET 2012</I>
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<PRE>2012/3/7 Colin Guthrie <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>>:
><i> 'Twas brillig, and Wolfgang Bornath at 07/03/12 12:02 did gyre and gimble:
</I>>><i> 2012/3/7 Colin Guthrie <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>>:
</I>>>><i> 'Twas brillig, and Wolfgang Bornath at 07/03/12 10:13 did gyre and gimble:
</I>>>>><i>
</I>>>>><i> Different from Guillaume I do care about the impact for the user.
</I>>>>><i> There are many out there who are used to startx and also docs and
</I>>>>><i> howtos which use it. Therefore we will need an explanation for
</I>>>>><i> switching off startx.  An explanation to be used in forums, which is a
</I>>>>><i> bit more than just a link to a bug report. In other words: to be
</I>>>>><i> understood by non-techie users.
</I>>>><i>
</I>>>><i> To answer Guillaume's question, I wasn't personally planning on removing
</I>>>><i> it fully. Just documenting that it is broken and that users should not
</I>>>><i> use this as a mechanism for starting X.
</I>>>><i>
</I>>>><i> I would propose just putting in "echo 'startx is deprecated. Here is
</I>>>><i> why.....   Press any key to continue anyway.' >&2; read -n 1" in the
</I>>>><i> startx script such that users using it will be warned. Does this seem
</I>>>><i> sensible?
</I>>><i>
</I>>><i> It is sensible and enough for the situation at hand (when the user
</I>>><i> actually punches in "startx" and the command does not work as
</I>>><i> expected). In principle on the same level of information like "file
</I>>><i> not found". That's all which is needed from the technical side.
</I>>><i>
</I>>><i> People more close to the users will have to think of an explanation
</I>>><i> without tech-talk, understandable for the user who comes to the forum
</I>>><i> complaining that the command he had been using for many years (or
</I>>><i> which is written in a documentation) does not work.
</I>><i>
</I>><i> For the avoidance of doubt, I would expect that hitting return would
</I>><i> still end up starting X, just that the afore mentioned (and dutifully
</I>><i> explained to the user) problems with ACLs etc. will be present.
</I>><i>
</I>><i> I'll be able to write some text here that is concise, so I'll do this
</I>><i> shortly.
</I>
Great!
Now I'll have to teach this waltzing greybeard in the mirror some new
moves .... :)
--
wobo
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