[Mageia-webteam] Request of formal approval for mageiaitalia.org

Sun May 15 12:37:47 CEST 2011

Le mercredi 11 mai 2011 à 21:33 +0200, Romain d'Alverny a écrit :
+> Hi Marcello,
+> 
+> On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 17:14, Marcello Anni <marcello.anni at alice.it> wrote:
+> > i set up a powerful framework for the italian community:
+> >
+> > http://www.mageiaitalia.org/
+> 
+> That's cool!
+> 
+> > can we have the official approval by the web-team and a redirect from mageia.org
+> > to our website? thanks
+> 
+> Oliver and wobo already provided some points about it and I tend to
+> agree with them. There are lots of things that are waiting for people
+> to join, help and build under mageia.org.
+> 
+> It's cool and great too to foster local energies in a more dynamic
+> space (your site), no question about it. But the global mageia.org
+> effort is in need for joint efforts. So if you feel there is something
+> missing, even if it may take more time, it's important to take this
+> time to explain, advocate, and even more importantly, help building
+> and build what may be missing.
+> 
+> What is "official" is in mageia.org and is, as much as possible,
+> global, through all locales hosted on mageia.org (and here we rely
+> heavily on translators and web developers). It's a permanent work in
+> progress. We have plans. It takes time. That doesn't prevent from
+> having local initiatives and efforts, but we can't count this as
+> official if it's not designed thought in a global scope.
+
+While I am slightly late, I would also add that we cannot really tell
+something is official if we cannot even see how it is managed and how it
+work. We cannot judge based on plans, so I would defer the discussion
+and in the mean time, clarify some points :
+
+what it mean to be official ? 
+( to me, it would be managed by mageia.org association and on a
+mageia.org subdomain, but maybe others have different views and
+different perspectives than the one of a sysadmin ).
+
+Does it make sense at all, in fact, what would it bring, what would it
+impact ? ( I guess the presence on some list of website to drive traffic
+would be the primary motivation, or some other form of exposure )
+
+What to do if 2 competing services, on the same country, language, etc
+appear ? Do we have to choose one, do we have to give a equal treatment
+to both ( which would then cause subtle issues like the non unicity in
+various part of the system, like having a potential redirection of
+something like it.community.mageia.org to 2 different sites ) ?
+
+How do we manage the brand and trademark, what if a site decide to
+become commercial ( happening with german community at opensuse at the
+moment ) ?
+
+> What we can do, though, is, as proposed, provide mageiaitalia.org as
+> the Italian-speaking forum and local community (for support and such)
+> - that leaves you the possibility to manage it as such. But that
+> should not prevent mageia.org/it to be maintained as well, and Italian
+> contributors to help push the global mageia.org thing further ahead.
+
+I agree, we should indeed simply list "here is local community", add
+some light process ( like "be there since enough time to demonstrate
+that it will be sustainable", "be managed by a non-for-profit group, or
+by individuals" or anything we see fit ).
+
+And also add clear instructions of who to contact to be listed on the
+page, what to expect, what to prepare, etc. 
+
+And make sure that we from time to time check that the site still exist,
+etc. And make clear that we do not manage them. 
+
+-- 
+Michael Scherer
+
+