[Mageia-sysadm] [RPM] cauldron core/release tagtool-0.12.3-2.mga1

Thu Mar 3 12:36:05 CET 2011

On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 12:10, Tux99 <tux99-mga at uridium.org> wrote:
+> Quote: rdalverny wrote on Thu, 03 March 2011 11:07
+>
+>> >From my point of view, if one doesn't want to provide her real name
+>> and/or a working public email contact, I wonder if she really
+>> understand what the stakes are in contributing and collaborating
+>> within a public open source project that aims to provide a trustable
+>> platform to a significant number of people (and I wouldn't even
+>> consider mentor her).
+> [...]
+> But these days the way the Internet has become I try to keep my personal
+> details (and yes that certainly includes my name) completely off the
+> Internet. I hope you can accept that.
+
+I totally do.
+
+But please accept that I don't see this as a move that fosters public
+(and in-project) trust and matches my expectations from people joining
+the project. It's not only about you and me, it's about the people out
+there that could be interested in joining any of us because of our
+involvement in the project.
+
+It's not a matter of tools only. It's too a matter of being openly
+confident in what we do, and show it. Whatever happens, we're proud of
+what Mageia is and what we do there all together.
+
+> I don't see why that makes any difference for a public open source project,
+> in fact there are many projects where this is normal (especially those
+> creating audio/video software with potential patent issues).
+
+Which even encourages this gray situation in favor of sw patents then, IMHO.
+
+> Also you moved way beyond the issue here, this discussion was about putting
+> real names and email addresses in the changelogs nothing else, and I have
+> given specific reasons why I don't think that's a good idea and I have
+> suggested several compromises.
+
+I saw that, yes, but this specific issue relates to the more global
+matter of, as I said: anonymity, accountability and reachability in
+and out of the project. This infuses back to Changelogs where the
+point is to facilitate _all_ (existing and new) _contributors_' life
+(among whicih, knowing/contacting each other).
+
+See initial request from Thierry too, that specifically raised this
+against previous common practice among Mandriva packagers:
+https://mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-sysadm/2011-March/002952.html
+
+> Specifically with regards to the email address in the changelog (apart from
+> spam concerns) I think that's wrong because it encourages users to not
+> follow the correct procedures.
+
+See replies from others, they are not users only and they welcome to
+have this info in the changelog and commits.
+
+> The correct procedure would be to open a bug report or post any other
+> queries on the dev ML.
+
+Of course. That does not justify to make it harder for people to
+identify/contact you for a legitimate matter, related or no
+
+On the practical side, that's the same with a website: putting a
+contact form instead of an email address contact for the sake of
+avoiding spam or "funneling" the message is moot, if not suspect (and
+same with those companies that can't put their team people names in
+the "About Us" page, but just some pointless speech about what they
+do).
+
+Unless you do an excellent job that does justify a form-based
+workflow, just use a direct, personal contact: email just works fine;
+few do it really well; most forms, if not all, suck. Big time. In many
+ways. Email sucks too, but at least its experience is more
+predictable.
+
+Romain
+