[Mageia-sysadm] Packages SVN

Wed Nov 3 20:45:49 CET 2010

Le mercredi 03 novembre 2010 à 18:16 +0100, Olivier Blin a écrit :
+> Michael Scherer <misc at zarb.org> writes:
+> 
+> >> > If we treat this content like we treat the tarballs, then we could
+> >> > workaround the problem, no ?
+> >> 
+> >> How so?
+> >
+> > Well, in fact, it depend on what we do not want to include.
+> >
+> > For data ( icones, theme, images ), we can simply put them outside of
+> > the svn, like we plan to do for tarballs. 
+> 
+> The plan is to put tarballs in an additional SVN, right?
+> We still have to deal with that.
+
+I tought the plan was to place the tarball outside of a VCS, ie either
+download it on demand, or placed in a cache. So we could simply remove
+them from the cache when needed.
+
+Now, maybe I misunderstood the new system, so could you explain what it
+will be ?
+
+
+> >> > So this would also mean we will import only after having cleaned the
+> >> > various packages ?
+> >> >
+> >> > This mean then that a review must be started ASAP ( in my humble
+> >> > opinion ).
+> 
+> [...]
+> 
+> >> But we should check with the board if we want to go that far.
+> >
+> > Sure. But what is exactly the question :) ?
+> 
+> Do we filter potentially trademarked/copyrighted content in the src
+> packages before initial import?
+> Or do we import the whole Mandriva SVN as is to bootstrap?
+> 
+> IHMO, we shouldn't take the risk of hosting Mandriva material, even if
+> this will slow down the process.
+
+We would not be more at fault than plf.zarb.org or any mirrors on that
+regard ( especially mirrors ). And they could hardly say "using our GPL
+software is a violation of our trademark" without being inconsistent on
+that matter, and they didn't protect their mark . 
+
+Hence my request for a specialized lawyer for the non visible cases, and
+see what would be considered as a fair use based on existing judgement.
+ 
+While I agree that we should of course not use the name Mandriva in a
+very visible way ( since this is not a method ), having it in the svn
+for a non released software is likely less a problem. 
+
+For example, based on the only similar case of people who have been
+really sued and lost I can think of ( ie mandrake ), there is still case
+where Mandrake word is displayed :
+- in bugzilla ( older bugs )
+- in the website html code ( <meta> )
+- in the mail archive, almost everywhere for old archives
+( http://lists.mandriva.com/cooker/2003-01/ )
+- the FAQ I gave previously ( question 10 ) 
+- in the changelog of mandriva-theme-Free-1.4.7-2mdv2010.1
+- in the provides and obsoletes of this package
+- in the readonly CVS 
+- in the filename /etc/rc.d/init.d/mandrake_firstime
+
+and it would also likely be in svn if svn existed at that time, and
+would not have been crashed. ( since it is in CVS )
+
+[misc at sisay ~] $ urpmf -i mandrake 2>&1 | wc -l
+1652
+
+They have likely contacted a lawyer ( at least, I hope so, even if we
+cannot be sure ), and based on that decided that this were fair use of
+the trademark ( at least, the lawyer of the opposite party did ). 
+
+Or maybe they are just careless or too busy, given the problem in
+FAQ :/ 
+
+-- 
+Michael Scherer
+
+