[Mageia-i18n] [proposition] Using Translate extension on Mageia wiki

Tue Oct 18 19:00:50 CEST 2011

написане Tue, 18 Oct 2011 14:11:33 +0300, Romain d'Alverny  
+<rdalverny at gmail.com>:
+
+> Hi,
+>
+> sorry for the delay, I just saw the point in last Council meeting
+> notes about this.
+>
+> On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 20:27, Yuri Chornoivan <yurchor at ukr.net> wrote:
+>> I just wanted to propose to use Translate extension on it. It is now
+>> successfully used on KDE UserBase:
+>> http://userbase.kde.org/Welcome_to_KDE_UserBase and TechBase
+>>
+>> Advantages of this extension as well as the contact information of  
+>> authors
+>> can be found here:
+>>
+>> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Translate
+>>
+>> This extension can significantly ease up maintenance of the translations
+>> with no additional efforts to sync translations with original (automatic
+>> synchronization).
+>
+> Actually, we didn't plan to manage l10n that way, but by having
+> distinct wiki instances per locale (wiki.mageia.org/en/,
+> wiki.mageia.org/fr/ and so on) and interwiki-link them. The same way
+> Wikipedia does it actually (and we used to at MDV as well).
+>
+> So using this extension means a significant change in how we lay things  
+> out.
+>
+> I guess each solution has its own benefit, so how would these compare?
+
+If it is planned to have just several static pages which will be  
+translatable (no changes, one time translation, announcement for every new  
+translatable pages) the old approach is good enough. But I have an  
+impression that this is not the case.
+
+The old-style translation process [1], [2] implies one of the following  
+options:
+
+1. Translator just copy and paste the content from the original page and  
+translate it (inter-wiki links will be established by the bot)
+2. Translator should make some modification of the original page to make  
+the translation visible then copy the content and translate it
+
+There are several shortcomings in this approach:
+
+1. It is hard to find all the pages that are worth translating (the list  
+should be maintained manually)
+2. It is easy to begin the translation of incomplete pages under  
+construction or outdated pages
+3. It is not easy to begin translation [1], [2]
+4. It is hard to track the changes (you should subscribe on the page feed  
+or add it to the watch list to get notified)
+5. It is hard to maintain the translation (usually you should guess about  
+the part of the translation to be changed in view of the original changes)
+6. It is hard to know that the translation is outdated
+7. It is hard to keep the coherence of the core documentation (isn't it be  
+good to have manuals on distribution collected on install CD with major  
+translations converted from wiki and 100% coherent?)
+
+Translate extension allows to avoid these problems:
+
+1. All translatable pages are collected in one list (e.g. [3]).
+2. Every team can have its own untranslatable pages (e.g. [4]). All pages  
+are separated by the team domains (/<language_code>, e.g. "/fr") and team  
+categories.
+3. Pages can be added or removed from translation by the wiki admins.  
+Translation of the pages, which are not marked for translation is  
+prohibited.
+4. To begin translation just register, ask to be added to the translators  
+group and push "Translate the page" or the corresponding link in the list  
+of pages.
+5. Changes are tracked automatically. The extension shows the changes in  
+every module with colors.
+6. Automatic maintenance of the translations. All unchanged parts are  
+kept, all changed are marked as fuzzy.
+7. Every outdated block is marked with red (e.g. [5]).
+8. As all the complete translations are semantically same (extension has  
+its own embedded QA) they can be exported as docbook with localized  
+screenshots in docbook format (e.g. [6]). Docbook can be easily converted  
+to html, pdf, etc.
+
+[1]  
+http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora_Contributor_Documentation/1/html/Translation_Quick_Start_Guide/sect-Translation_Quick_Start_Guide-Translating_Wiki.html
+[2] http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/HowToTranslateWiki
+[3]  
+http://userbase.kde.org/index.php?title=Special%3ALanguageStats&code=de&suppresscomplete=1
+[4] http://userbase.kde.org/Translation_Workflow/Ukrainian
+[5] http://userbase.kde.org/Krita/de
+[6] http://userbase.kde.org/How_To_Convert_a_UserBase_Manual_to_Docbook
+