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On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 11:06 AM, atilla ontas <tarakbumba@gmail.com> wrote:
+2010/9/22 Oliver Burger <oliver.bgr@googlemail.com>:
+
> Yes, we should consider how unpronouncible words like australia, austria,
+> autumns and so on are...
+
+
Hey, we are trying to share opinions about what we named it. I
+explained my reason. We're not discussing about other language's
+words. As i don't offer any Turkish word. Just point out if there are
+difficulties about distro related names. As for me, also Mageia name
+is a problem alone. Just look at posts about pronouncation. Also, i
+haven't told you about Turkish fundementalist patriot users reactions
+about a Greek word, altough it is not problem for me and my friends, i
+don't against which language word have been choosen. Yesterday, some
+Mandriva Turkiye community asked me how they can pronounce new distro
+name, even any of them could not write it correctly. Those words are
+difficult to write or pronounce for my people, like you can't
+correctly pronounce Turkish  or Arabic words. Thats only my personal
+opinion.
+


+1
i just read the same and i am french guy so i like speak about romanians so don't be carreful (a trouble with my gvt)
but the ideas was nearest the word to describe where to be when not publicly available
+
in cauldron cazan chaudron caldera where magician cooking
cradle berceau béso(haitian)   was more human being the first step of life
but does "step on !" means not sure ?


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On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 11:06 AM, atilla ontas <tarakbumba@gmail.com> wrote:
+2010/9/22 Oliver Burger <oliver.bgr@googlemail.com>:
+
> Yes, we should consider how unpronouncible words like australia, austria,
+> autumns and so on are...
+
+
Hey, we are trying to share opinions about what we named it. I
+explained my reason. We're not discussing about other language's
+words. As i don't offer any Turkish word. Just point out if there are
+difficulties about distro related names. As for me, also Mageia name
+is a problem alone. Just look at posts about pronouncation. Also, i
+haven't told you about Turkish fundementalist patriot users reactions
+about a Greek word, altough it is not problem for me and my friends, i
+don't against which language word have been choosen. Yesterday, some
+Mandriva Turkiye community asked me how they can pronounce new distro
+name, even any of them could not write it correctly. Those words are
+difficult to write or pronounce for my people, like you can't
+correctly pronounce Turkish  or Arabic words. Thats only my personal
+opinion.
+


+1
i just read the same and i am french guy so i like speak about romanians so don't be carreful (a trouble with my gvt)
but the ideas was nearest the word to describe where to be when not publicly available
+
in cauldron cazan chaudron caldera where magician cooking
cradle berceau béso(haitian)   was more human being the first step of life
but does "step on !" means not sure ?


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Why we don't just edit a page on the wiki with all this proposed names, and one the list is "complete" to propose a pool and vote for the one we like most?

Cheers,
Florin

From: "borg1911-n6@yahoo.com" <borg1911-n6@yahoo.com>
To: Mageia general discussions <mageia-discuss@mageia.org>
Sent: Wed, 22 September, 2010 17:11:21
Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] New name for + cooker

Hi all, I am new here but "cauldron" is a good name.


-Nex6

From: Olivier Thauvin <nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org>
To: mageia-discuss@mageia.org
Sent: Tue, September 21, 2010 5:57:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker

+* Olivier Thauvin (nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org) wrote:
> * Olivier Thauvin (nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org) wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I am in charge of finding the replacement name for "cooker", eg the
> > development version of Mageia.
>
> Thanks you for your suggestions.

I just sort all suggestions as promise I give you a summary.

Please, limit your post on this list, this thread has cause enought
noise already.

If you have a good reason to eliminate a word, or want more explanation,
mail me directly or sent me a message on IRC (Nanar, Freenode), I'll
post a sumarry here if need.

I did learn a lot of words !

I made some + choice for you (sorry):
- read your mail, then take + decision according comment
- check quickly on google for major conflicts (such as widelly know
  trademark, well know software, ...).

My favorites are word related to room or recipient (to push a change
in...). I did also notice a lot mail in favor of 'cauldron'.

The list, # mean the word is definitely discard (see the comment to find why).

# Abracadabra - Way too long
Agora - too common, and http://www.agora.gouv.fr/
Alakazam - like the pokemon ?
alchemy - hard to pronouce
Baker
bakery
# blender - it is the name of a well know software
brewery, brew - religious issue
Bubbling
campus
cauldron - taken by sourcemage (is this an issue ?)
Chef
concert
crucible
# Delphi - refer to Borland delphi
Dreamspot
edge
elixir
Enchantment
fire
fireworks
foundry
genesis
harmony
# + Hephaestus - + complicated
Infusion
kettle
kitchen - isn't too refering to cooker ?
Manna
# mathetria - mean a disciple (female), complicated
# mercurial - name of a RCS, will cause mistakes
mercury
mill
mixer
Mystique - is it correct in english ?
# Olympus - Camera trademark
oven
Pan
# Phoenix - too complicated, will cause error "Å“"
# pioneer - trademark
Potion room - one uniq word would better
# Pot - "pott" refer to drugs
Presto
Prometheus - "Prometheus is a fictional character in the Marvel Universe", I suggest to avoid... :)
quicksilver
rookery
# root - will cause mistake with the user
stove
Synergy - a free software
# Ta Da! - one word would make our life easier
# Tea party - politics issue
testing - like debian, no personnality
transmutation
twig
# unity - name of a distribution (mdv/mageia based !)
Vesuvius
Vulcan
Vulcano
wok
works - like Ms product + ?


--

Olivier Thauvin
CNRS  -  LATMOS
♖ ♘ ♗ ♕ ♔ ♗ ♘ ♖
+ + + +
+

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Why we don't just edit a page on the wiki with all this proposed names, and one the list is "complete" to propose a pool and vote for the one we like most?

Cheers,
Florin

From: "borg1911-n6@yahoo.com" <borg1911-n6@yahoo.com>
To: Mageia general discussions <mageia-discuss@mageia.org>
Sent: Wed, 22 September, 2010 17:11:21
Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] New name for + cooker

Hi all, I am new here but "cauldron" is a good name.


-Nex6

From: Olivier Thauvin <nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org>
To: mageia-discuss@mageia.org
Sent: Tue, September 21, 2010 5:57:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker

+* Olivier Thauvin (nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org) wrote:
> * Olivier Thauvin (nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org) wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I am in charge of finding the replacement name for "cooker", eg the
> > development version of Mageia.
>
> Thanks you for your suggestions.

I just sort all suggestions as promise I give you a summary.

Please, limit your post on this list, this thread has cause enought
noise already.

If you have a good reason to eliminate a word, or want more explanation,
mail me directly or sent me a message on IRC (Nanar, Freenode), I'll
post a sumarry here if need.

I did learn a lot of words !

I made some + choice for you (sorry):
- read your mail, then take + decision according comment
- check quickly on google for major conflicts (such as widelly know
  trademark, well know software, ...).

My favorites are word related to room or recipient (to push a change
in...). I did also notice a lot mail in favor of 'cauldron'.

The list, # mean the word is definitely discard (see the comment to find why).

# Abracadabra - Way too long
Agora - too common, and http://www.agora.gouv.fr/
Alakazam - like the pokemon ?
alchemy - hard to pronouce
Baker
bakery
# blender - it is the name of a well know software
brewery, brew - religious issue
Bubbling
campus
cauldron - taken by sourcemage (is this an issue ?)
Chef
concert
crucible
# Delphi - refer to Borland delphi
Dreamspot
edge
elixir
Enchantment
fire
fireworks
foundry
genesis
harmony
# + Hephaestus - + complicated
Infusion
kettle
kitchen - isn't too refering to cooker ?
Manna
# mathetria - mean a disciple (female), complicated
# mercurial - name of a RCS, will cause mistakes
mercury
mill
mixer
Mystique - is it correct in english ?
# Olympus - Camera trademark
oven
Pan
# Phoenix - too complicated, will cause error "Å“"
# pioneer - trademark
Potion room - one uniq word would better
# Pot - "pott" refer to drugs
Presto
Prometheus - "Prometheus is a fictional character in the Marvel Universe", I suggest to avoid... :)
quicksilver
rookery
# root - will cause mistake with the user
stove
Synergy - a free software
# Ta Da! - one word would make our life easier
# Tea party - politics issue
testing - like debian, no personnality
transmutation
twig
# unity - name of a distribution (mdv/mageia based !)
Vesuvius
Vulcan
Vulcano
wok
works - like Ms product + ?


--

Olivier Thauvin
CNRS  -  LATMOS
♖ ♘ ♗ ♕ ♔ ♗ ♘ ♖
+ + + +
+

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From: Olivier Thauvin <nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org>
To: Mageia general discussions <mageia-discuss@mageia.org>
Sent: Wed, September 22, 2010 9:59:54 AM
Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker

+* Nex6 (borg1911-n6@yahoo.com) wrote:
>
> that's what happened to me....  as I just joined the list last nite.

Usually when I join a new list, I wait a bit before posting or check
archives.

Regards.

--

Olivier Thauvin
CNRS  -  LATMOS
♖ ♘ ♗ ♕ ♔ ♗ ♘ ♖


usually I am more careful....


:)



-Nex6
+ + + +
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From: Olivier Thauvin <nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org>
To: Mageia general discussions <mageia-discuss@mageia.org>
Sent: Wed, September 22, 2010 9:59:54 AM
Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker

+* Nex6 (borg1911-n6@yahoo.com) wrote:
>
> that's what happened to me....  as I just joined the list last nite.

Usually when I join a new list, I wait a bit before posting or check
archives.

Regards.

--

Olivier Thauvin
CNRS  -  LATMOS
♖ ♘ ♗ ♕ ♔ ♗ ♘ ♖


usually I am more careful....


:)



-Nex6
+ + + +
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2010/9/22 Marc Paré <marc@marcpare.com>
+
+http://blog.mageia.org/ -- official news blog for Mageia
+
+http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?do=show&id=start -- Mageia contribution site. This where you will want to register your name to contribute to the Mageia project
+ +
+http://www.flickr.com/groups/mageia-art/pool/with/5012754619/  -- Flicker site for the Logo contest
+
+
+
+---------------
+Official Usenet discussion groups on Gmane:
+---------------
+
+mageia-dev:
+http://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.mageia.devel
+nntp://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.mageia.devel
+
+mageia-discuss:
+http://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.mageia.user
+nntp://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.mageia.user
+
+mageia-announce
+http://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.mageia.announce
+nntp://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.mageia.announce
+
+
+

These links may be shown in the fisrt place mageia.org ?


--
Dimitrios Glentadakis

diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100922/318531f8/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100922/318531f8/attachment.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..2ad88acab --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100922/318531f8/attachment.html @@ -0,0 +1,29 @@ +

2010/9/22 Marc Paré <marc@marcpare.com>
+
+http://blog.mageia.org/ -- official news blog for Mageia
+
+http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?do=show&id=start -- Mageia contribution site. This where you will want to register your name to contribute to the Mageia project
+ +
+http://www.flickr.com/groups/mageia-art/pool/with/5012754619/  -- Flicker site for the Logo contest
+
+
+
+---------------
+Official Usenet discussion groups on Gmane:
+---------------
+
+mageia-dev:
+http://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.mageia.devel
+nntp://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.mageia.devel
+
+mageia-discuss:
+http://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.mageia.user
+nntp://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.mageia.user
+
+mageia-announce
+http://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.mageia.announce
+nntp://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.mageia.announce
+
+
+

These links may be shown in the fisrt place mageia.org ?


--
Dimitrios Glentadakis

diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100922/38ce9308/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100922/38ce9308/attachment-0001.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..984e7d0c6 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100922/38ce9308/attachment-0001.html @@ -0,0 +1,20 @@ +

On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 9:16 AM, <nicolas.lecureuil@free.fr> wrote:
+
+----- Mail Original -----
+De: "Tonton" <to.tonton@gmail.com>
+À: "Mageia general discussions" <mageia-discuss@mageia.org>
+Envoyé: Mercredi 22 Septembre 2010 09h14:41 GMT +01:00 Amsterdam / Berlin / Berne / Rome / Stockholm / Vienne
+Objet: Re: [Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+

+
+What's mean cooker ?
+
+the program to install M* on drive
+or development version between two release ?
+
+
+
Hello,
+
+cooker is the " development version between two release", the time where we "cooked" a new version :)
+


and you want keep the same
not stable
unstable
or you will have cooker-stable

now all distribution have depots where to get version of packadge 
does we will mix version between relase stable test
+and  cazan-stable cazan-test for access a specifique packadge want to update?

cazan is cauldron in roumanian
like caldera in spanish
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100922/38ce9308/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100922/38ce9308/attachment.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..984e7d0c6 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100922/38ce9308/attachment.html @@ -0,0 +1,20 @@ +

On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 9:16 AM, <nicolas.lecureuil@free.fr> wrote:
+
+----- Mail Original -----
+De: "Tonton" <to.tonton@gmail.com>
+À: "Mageia general discussions" <mageia-discuss@mageia.org>
+Envoyé: Mercredi 22 Septembre 2010 09h14:41 GMT +01:00 Amsterdam / Berlin / Berne / Rome / Stockholm / Vienne
+Objet: Re: [Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+

+
+What's mean cooker ?
+
+the program to install M* on drive
+or development version between two release ?
+
+
+
Hello,
+
+cooker is the " development version between two release", the time where we "cooked" a new version :)
+


and you want keep the same
not stable
unstable
or you will have cooker-stable

now all distribution have depots where to get version of packadge 
does we will mix version between relase stable test
+and  cazan-stable cazan-test for access a specifique packadge want to update?

cazan is cauldron in roumanian
like caldera in spanish
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100922/3a92d5c3/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100922/3a92d5c3/attachment-0001.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..887310489 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100922/3a92d5c3/attachment-0001.html @@ -0,0 +1 @@ +What's mean cooker ?

the program to install M* on drive
or development version between two release ?


diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100922/3a92d5c3/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100922/3a92d5c3/attachment.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..887310489 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100922/3a92d5c3/attachment.html @@ -0,0 +1 @@ +What's mean cooker ?

the program to install M* on drive
or development version between two release ?


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+
+
I was thinking pinguin lay eggs so I suggest simply :
+
+nid
+
+I don't think it can cause trouble in any language but not sure, tell me.
+So Magieia developpement will born in a  magic nid called mageia nid
+
+Do you agree ?
+

or Cradle ?
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100922/534a604c/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100922/534a604c/attachment.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..0a120c785 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100922/534a604c/attachment.html @@ -0,0 +1,11 @@ +
+
+
I was thinking pinguin lay eggs so I suggest simply :
+
+nid
+
+I don't think it can cause trouble in any language but not sure, tell me.
+So Magieia developpement will born in a  magic nid called mageia nid
+
+Do you agree ?
+

or Cradle ?
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100922/6bb2fd27/attachment-0001.asc b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100922/6bb2fd27/attachment-0001.asc new file mode 100644 index 000000000..3517f7493 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100922/6bb2fd27/attachment-0001.asc @@ -0,0 +1,7 @@ +-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- +Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) + +iEYEARECAAYFAkyaYI4ACgkQk29cDOWzfVAiKgCfXOWTtuSQI89IFTHKwOxCM8IG +riUAn2I+g6sp11GnU6rzo57Kzjycactd +=fPOJ +-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100922/6bb2fd27/attachment.asc b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100922/6bb2fd27/attachment.asc new file mode 100644 index 000000000..3517f7493 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100922/6bb2fd27/attachment.asc @@ -0,0 +1,7 @@ +-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- +Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) + +iEYEARECAAYFAkyaYI4ACgkQk29cDOWzfVAiKgCfXOWTtuSQI89IFTHKwOxCM8IG +riUAn2I+g6sp11GnU6rzo57Kzjycactd +=fPOJ +-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100922/6c865c6c/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100922/6c865c6c/attachment-0001.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..670848471 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100922/6c865c6c/attachment-0001.html @@ -0,0 +1,9 @@ +
Hi all, I am new here but "cauldron" is a good name.


-Nex6

From: Olivier Thauvin <nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org>
To: mageia-discuss@mageia.org
Sent: Tue, September 21, 2010 5:57:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker

+* Olivier Thauvin (nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org) wrote:
> * Olivier Thauvin (nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org) wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I am in charge of finding the replacement name for "cooker", eg the
> > development version of Mageia.
>
> Thanks you for your suggestions.

I just sort all suggestions as promise I give you a summary.

Please, limit your post on this list, this thread has cause enought
noise already.

If you have a good reason to eliminate a word, or want more explanation,
mail me directly or sent me a message on IRC (Nanar, Freenode), I'll
post a sumarry here if need.

I did learn a lot of words !

I made some choice for you (sorry):
- read your mail, then take + decision according comment
- check quickly on google for major conflicts (such as widelly know
  trademark, well know software, ...).

My favorites are word related to room or recipient (to push a change
in...). I did also notice a lot mail in favor of 'cauldron'.

The list, # mean the word is definitely discard (see the comment to find why).

# Abracadabra - Way too long
Agora - too common, and http://www.agora.gouv.fr/
Alakazam - like the pokemon ?
alchemy - hard to pronouce
Baker
bakery
# blender - it is the name of a well know software
brewery, brew - religious issue
Bubbling
campus
cauldron - taken by sourcemage (is this an issue ?)
Chef
concert
crucible
# Delphi - refer to Borland delphi
Dreamspot
edge
elixir
Enchantment
fire
fireworks
foundry
genesis
harmony
# Hephaestus - + complicated
Infusion
kettle
kitchen - isn't too refering to cooker ?
Manna
# mathetria - mean a disciple (female), complicated
# mercurial - name of a RCS, will cause mistakes
mercury
mill
mixer
Mystique - is it correct in english ?
# Olympus - Camera trademark
oven
Pan
# Phoenix - too complicated, will cause error "Å“"
# pioneer - trademark
Potion room - one uniq word would better
# Pot - "pott" refer to drugs
Presto
Prometheus - "Prometheus is a fictional character in the Marvel Universe", I suggest to avoid... :)
quicksilver
rookery
# root - will cause mistake with the user
stove
Synergy - a free software
# Ta Da! - one word would make our life easier
# Tea party - politics issue
testing - like debian, no personnality
transmutation
twig
# unity - name of a distribution (mdv/mageia based !)
Vesuvius
Vulcan
Vulcano
wok
works - like Ms product + ?


--

Olivier Thauvin
CNRS  -  LATMOS
♖ ♘ ♗ ♕ ♔ ♗ ♘ ♖
+ + + +
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Hi all, I am new here but "cauldron" is a good name.


-Nex6

From: Olivier Thauvin <nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org>
To: mageia-discuss@mageia.org
Sent: Tue, September 21, 2010 5:57:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker

+* Olivier Thauvin (nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org) wrote:
> * Olivier Thauvin (nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org) wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I am in charge of finding the replacement name for "cooker", eg the
> > development version of Mageia.
>
> Thanks you for your suggestions.

I just sort all suggestions as promise I give you a summary.

Please, limit your post on this list, this thread has cause enought
noise already.

If you have a good reason to eliminate a word, or want more explanation,
mail me directly or sent me a message on IRC (Nanar, Freenode), I'll
post a sumarry here if need.

I did learn a lot of words !

I made some choice for you (sorry):
- read your mail, then take + decision according comment
- check quickly on google for major conflicts (such as widelly know
  trademark, well know software, ...).

My favorites are word related to room or recipient (to push a change
in...). I did also notice a lot mail in favor of 'cauldron'.

The list, # mean the word is definitely discard (see the comment to find why).

# Abracadabra - Way too long
Agora - too common, and http://www.agora.gouv.fr/
Alakazam - like the pokemon ?
alchemy - hard to pronouce
Baker
bakery
# blender - it is the name of a well know software
brewery, brew - religious issue
Bubbling
campus
cauldron - taken by sourcemage (is this an issue ?)
Chef
concert
crucible
# Delphi - refer to Borland delphi
Dreamspot
edge
elixir
Enchantment
fire
fireworks
foundry
genesis
harmony
# Hephaestus - + complicated
Infusion
kettle
kitchen - isn't too refering to cooker ?
Manna
# mathetria - mean a disciple (female), complicated
# mercurial - name of a RCS, will cause mistakes
mercury
mill
mixer
Mystique - is it correct in english ?
# Olympus - Camera trademark
oven
Pan
# Phoenix - too complicated, will cause error "Å“"
# pioneer - trademark
Potion room - one uniq word would better
# Pot - "pott" refer to drugs
Presto
Prometheus - "Prometheus is a fictional character in the Marvel Universe", I suggest to avoid... :)
quicksilver
rookery
# root - will cause mistake with the user
stove
Synergy - a free software
# Ta Da! - one word would make our life easier
# Tea party - politics issue
testing - like debian, no personnality
transmutation
twig
# unity - name of a distribution (mdv/mageia based !)
Vesuvius
Vulcan
Vulcano
wok
works - like Ms product + ?


--

Olivier Thauvin
CNRS  -  LATMOS
♖ ♘ ♗ ♕ ♔ ♗ ♘ ♖
+ + + +
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2010/9/21 André Machado <afmachado@dcemail.com>
+
On offer from OpenSuse to offer your build system, I would like to remind them that an article in the NY Post < http://www.nypost.com/p/news/business/novell_inc_reaches_two_part_sale_lZKRHKFYO5T9cKq9Dy7WQO >  says that, in about 4 weeks, Novell, Inc. will be sold to two companies, one that will stay with the Linux partition and one that will hold the rest. It is speculated that the party who will remain with Linux is that VMWare, inc.
+ +
+This warning is just to stay alert. Remember what happened to OpenSolaris after Oracle buy Sun. Would not it be nice if we had a promise now that could not be performed later.
+
+_____________________________________________________________
+Washington DC's Largest FREE Email service. ---> http://www.DCemail.com ---> A Washington Online Community Member --->
+http://www.DCpages.com
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+https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss
+

diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100922/90e76a1e/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100922/90e76a1e/attachment.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..cbcb75e8c --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100922/90e76a1e/attachment.html @@ -0,0 +1,14 @@ +Pardon me, I've been a little bit out. What happened to OpenSolaris?

2010/9/21 André Machado <afmachado@dcemail.com>
+
On offer from OpenSuse to offer your build system, I would like to remind them that an article in the NY Post < http://www.nypost.com/p/news/business/novell_inc_reaches_two_part_sale_lZKRHKFYO5T9cKq9Dy7WQO >  says that, in about 4 weeks, Novell, Inc. will be sold to two companies, one that will stay with the Linux partition and one that will hold the rest. It is speculated that the party who will remain with Linux is that VMWare, inc.
+ +
+This warning is just to stay alert. Remember what happened to OpenSolaris after Oracle buy Sun. Would not it be nice if we had a promise now that could not be performed later.
+
+_____________________________________________________________
+Washington DC's Largest FREE Email service. ---> http://www.DCemail.com ---> A Washington Online Community Member --->
+http://www.DCpages.com
+_______________________________________________
+Mageia-discuss mailing list
+Mageia-discuss@mageia.org
+https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss
+

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That's life...
I've always liked very much the stability of Solaris.

On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 9:09 PM, Michael Scherer <misc@zarb.org> wrote:
+
Le mercredi 22 septembre 2010 à 20:19 +0300, Mihai Dobrescu a écrit :
+
> Pardon me, I've been a little bit out. What happened to OpenSolaris?
+
+
This :
+http://lwn.net/Articles/400083/
+and this :
+http://lwn.net/Articles/405313/
+
+basically, oracle killed it, to be revived a community project.
+
+
+--
+Michael Scherer
+

+_______________________________________________
+Mageia-discuss mailing list
+Mageia-discuss@mageia.org
+https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss
+

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That's life...
I've always liked very much the stability of Solaris.

On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 9:09 PM, Michael Scherer <misc@zarb.org> wrote:
+
Le mercredi 22 septembre 2010 à 20:19 +0300, Mihai Dobrescu a écrit :
+
> Pardon me, I've been a little bit out. What happened to OpenSolaris?
+
+
This :
+http://lwn.net/Articles/400083/
+and this :
+http://lwn.net/Articles/405313/
+
+basically, oracle killed it, to be revived a community project.
+
+
+--
+Michael Scherer
+

+_______________________________________________
+Mageia-discuss mailing list
+Mageia-discuss@mageia.org
+https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss
+

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From: Michael Scherer <misc@zarb.org>
To: Mageia general discussions <mageia-discuss@mageia.org>
Sent: Wed, September 22, 2010 11:39:57 AM
Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums

+Le mercredi 22 septembre 2010 à 04:32 +0200, Tux99 a écrit :

> While I'm in no position to influence this, I believe that Mageia
> and it's community would greatly benefit if the Mageia devs would use a
> reserved section of the Mageia forum (a subforum where only devs can
> post) for cooker discussions rather than a mailing-list, since it would
> bring devs and users closer to each other and facilitate interaction.

Well, no for several reasons:

1) a restricted forum is not really the spirit of openess I would see.
And a restricted forum would not be really a way to bring dev and
non-dev closer if this is restricted to dev. ( not to mention that the
simple existence of the idea "dev and users" is harmful, IMHO ).

2) forums are IMHO not adapted to the work:

- depending on the forum, some will mark messages as read while you
didn't , fluxbb for example, and this is stressing ( + at least, it does
stress me, since each time, I wonder if I forgot to read something
important or not )

- you have to read the whole page to follow a thread, while evolution
allow me to mark just a subthread as read when I know it doesn't
interest me ( like thread about kde or nvidia driver on cooker )

- you cannot have subthread, which basically make everything a mess

- you cannot do any kind of filtering ( like some people do with gnus,
to highlight post with keyword )

- you cannot cross post between forum ( which can be required when
specialized ml will appear )

- you basically cannot automate much task ( like applying a patch for
git with git am )

- you cannot read them offline ( in, when you commute, like what I do )

- most of the time, you cannot read them on your phone ( see the commute
part )

So basically, for my workflow, and I think I am not having a so + uncommon
one among the  FOSS crowd, a forum is less adapted than a ML.


Regarding devs on forums, I have already expressed myself on cooker ml,
seek my name around august this year. Of course, I may appear like a ass
in theses mails,( maybe because I am one ), but I think that basically
changing the name of the project will not impact much my opinion, and
that still reflect my thoughts.

Of course, some packagers will read forums, and some used it ( like
Nicolas Lecureil, Samuel Verschelde and likely others ) for various
task, but personally, I would prefer rely on people to help me by doing
the triaging, and let me focus on issues where I can be more useful for
everybody. I think this would scale more than asking every developer to
get on the forum.

So while I do not want to actively ignore users, it must be clear that
not everybody will/can pass a significant time on forum. And well, + while
reading is sufficient in theory, if you just read, people do not know
and feel neglected. But answering requires more time. For example, I
have devoted my full afternoon on reading -discuss and I have still many
mails to read and maybe to answer, so I really do not think I could cope
with a user forums.

When you take a forum, you need to take one that can show "hot topic",
or something like that, ie think of infrequent readers that may want to
only have the more important discussion ( ie, a
packager/designer/coder/whatever that just pass from time to time ).

--
Michael Scherer



I am torn, on the ML vs Forums thing. I like forums, and I think for normal users it would be easier for them. but; for more active devs/user other Mageia personnel a ML would be better.

not, sure how to resolve it, its an age old + question.

-Nex6



_______________________________________________
Mageia-discuss mailing list
Mageia-discuss@mageia.org
https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss
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From: Michael Scherer <misc@zarb.org>
To: Mageia general discussions <mageia-discuss@mageia.org>
Sent: Wed, September 22, 2010 11:39:57 AM
Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums

+Le mercredi 22 septembre 2010 à 04:32 +0200, Tux99 a écrit :

> While I'm in no position to influence this, I believe that Mageia
> and it's community would greatly benefit if the Mageia devs would use a
> reserved section of the Mageia forum (a subforum where only devs can
> post) for cooker discussions rather than a mailing-list, since it would
> bring devs and users closer to each other and facilitate interaction.

Well, no for several reasons:

1) a restricted forum is not really the spirit of openess I would see.
And a restricted forum would not be really a way to bring dev and
non-dev closer if this is restricted to dev. ( not to mention that the
simple existence of the idea "dev and users" is harmful, IMHO ).

2) forums are IMHO not adapted to the work:

- depending on the forum, some will mark messages as read while you
didn't , fluxbb for example, and this is stressing ( + at least, it does
stress me, since each time, I wonder if I forgot to read something
important or not )

- you have to read the whole page to follow a thread, while evolution
allow me to mark just a subthread as read when I know it doesn't
interest me ( like thread about kde or nvidia driver on cooker )

- you cannot have subthread, which basically make everything a mess

- you cannot do any kind of filtering ( like some people do with gnus,
to highlight post with keyword )

- you cannot cross post between forum ( which can be required when
specialized ml will appear )

- you basically cannot automate much task ( like applying a patch for
git with git am )

- you cannot read them offline ( in, when you commute, like what I do )

- most of the time, you cannot read them on your phone ( see the commute
part )

So basically, for my workflow, and I think I am not having a so + uncommon
one among the  FOSS crowd, a forum is less adapted than a ML.


Regarding devs on forums, I have already expressed myself on cooker ml,
seek my name around august this year. Of course, I may appear like a ass
in theses mails,( maybe because I am one ), but I think that basically
changing the name of the project will not impact much my opinion, and
that still reflect my thoughts.

Of course, some packagers will read forums, and some used it ( like
Nicolas Lecureil, Samuel Verschelde and likely others ) for various
task, but personally, I would prefer rely on people to help me by doing
the triaging, and let me focus on issues where I can be more useful for
everybody. I think this would scale more than asking every developer to
get on the forum.

So while I do not want to actively ignore users, it must be clear that
not everybody will/can pass a significant time on forum. And well, + while
reading is sufficient in theory, if you just read, people do not know
and feel neglected. But answering requires more time. For example, I
have devoted my full afternoon on reading -discuss and I have still many
mails to read and maybe to answer, so I really do not think I could cope
with a user forums.

When you take a forum, you need to take one that can show "hot topic",
or something like that, ie think of infrequent readers that may want to
only have the more important discussion ( ie, a
packager/designer/coder/whatever that just pass from time to time ).

--
Michael Scherer



I am torn, on the ML vs Forums thing. I like forums, and I think for normal users it would be easier for them. but; for more active devs/user other Mageia personnel a ML would be better.

not, sure how to resolve it, its an age old + question.

-Nex6



_______________________________________________
Mageia-discuss mailing list
Mageia-discuss@mageia.org
https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss
+ + + +
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+ 
He he, funny name, "cazan" means cauldron in Romanian, or "marmite" in French.
+
+Why not call it: SPARK
+
+Best regards,
+Florin Cătălin RUSSEN
+Romanian Translation Team
+
+
+ Spark sounds like a good + idea too..
+ 
--
+Sander
+
+ 
+
+_______________________________________________
+Mageia-discuss mailing list
+Mageia-discuss@mageia.org
+https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss
+
+
+ + diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100922/aec0e227/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100922/aec0e227/attachment.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..474db4c67 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100922/aec0e227/attachment.html @@ -0,0 +1,34 @@ + + + + + + + 22.09.2010 12:13, Catalin Florin RUSSEN kirjutas: +

+ 
He he, funny name, "cazan" means cauldron in Romanian, or "marmite" in French.
+
+Why not call it: SPARK
+
+Best regards,
+Florin Cătălin RUSSEN
+Romanian Translation Team
+
+
+ Spark sounds like a good + idea too..
+ 
--
+Sander
+
+ 
+
+_______________________________________________
+Mageia-discuss mailing list
+Mageia-discuss@mageia.org
+https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss
+
+
+ + diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100922/af04f888/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100922/af04f888/attachment-0001.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..6f8db36d0 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100922/af04f888/attachment-0001.html @@ -0,0 +1,38 @@ +Hi all.

MDK-trans has translated the first mageia's blog post to spanish.

I post the translation here, feel free to use.

--------------------------------------------------------------

¡Gracias!
+ +Publicado el 21 de septiembre de 2010 por ennael
+
+No sabíamos cómo empezar esto, así que vamos a hacerlo de la manera más obvia.
+
+Muchachos, gracias.
+
+Muchas gracias por vuestro entusiasmo, vuestras solicitudes para
+uniros, para ayudar a este proyecto, por proporcionar inspiración
+sobre la infraestrucutra de hardware, el sistema de compilación, la
+gestión de la comunidad, temas artísticos, ¡tantas cosas!
+
+Ha sido diferente para cada uno de nosotros, pero la idea de hacer
+algo distinto ha ido madurando durante meses hasta ahora. Las cosas
+realmente se materializaron hace pocos días a medida que los debates
+se concretaban más, y ahora aquí estamos.
+
+Sabíamos que era un movimiento importante; que probablemente podríamos
+dar primeros pasos en falso y que deberíamos proceder con cuidado.
+Vuestro recibimiento de las noticias simplemente ha excedido nuestros
+sueños más desatados.
+
+Ver a tanta gente de las comunidades de cooker y de usuarios, y
+también gente que lo había dejado en años anteriores, convergiendo
+todos juntos confirma nuestra resolución de que hacer una distribución
+completamente basada en la comunidad era, es, la dirección correcta.
+
+No se trata sólo de un pequeño grupo de gente, se trata de lo que
+pueden hacer con una tecnología que diseñemos, construyamos y usemos
+cada día a través de una organización que asegure la colaboración,
+innovación, producción y beneficios a todos.
+
+Una vez más, esto no será fácil, instantáneo ni directo. Estamos
+asentando los primeros pasos organizativos para que todos nosotros
+podamos empezar a trabajar en este nuevo proyecto.
+
+Así que, ¡empecemos juntos!

------------------------------------------------------
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MDK-trans has translated the first mageia's blog post to spanish.

I post the translation here, feel free to use.

--------------------------------------------------------------

¡Gracias!
+ +Publicado el 21 de septiembre de 2010 por ennael
+
+No sabíamos cómo empezar esto, así que vamos a hacerlo de la manera más obvia.
+
+Muchachos, gracias.
+
+Muchas gracias por vuestro entusiasmo, vuestras solicitudes para
+uniros, para ayudar a este proyecto, por proporcionar inspiración
+sobre la infraestrucutra de hardware, el sistema de compilación, la
+gestión de la comunidad, temas artísticos, ¡tantas cosas!
+
+Ha sido diferente para cada uno de nosotros, pero la idea de hacer
+algo distinto ha ido madurando durante meses hasta ahora. Las cosas
+realmente se materializaron hace pocos días a medida que los debates
+se concretaban más, y ahora aquí estamos.
+
+Sabíamos que era un movimiento importante; que probablemente podríamos
+dar primeros pasos en falso y que deberíamos proceder con cuidado.
+Vuestro recibimiento de las noticias simplemente ha excedido nuestros
+sueños más desatados.
+
+Ver a tanta gente de las comunidades de cooker y de usuarios, y
+también gente que lo había dejado en años anteriores, convergiendo
+todos juntos confirma nuestra resolución de que hacer una distribución
+completamente basada en la comunidad era, es, la dirección correcta.
+
+No se trata sólo de un pequeño grupo de gente, se trata de lo que
+pueden hacer con una tecnología que diseñemos, construyamos y usemos
+cada día a través de una organización que asegure la colaboración,
+innovación, producción y beneficios a todos.
+
+Una vez más, esto no será fácil, instantáneo ni directo. Estamos
+asentando los primeros pasos organizativos para que todos nosotros
+podamos empezar a trabajar en este nuevo proyecto.
+
+Así que, ¡empecemos juntos!

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+ 
2010/9/21 Maurice Batey <maurice@bcs.org.uk>:
+
+
+ 
Why does the
+
+   http://www.searchgodsword.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=3095he
+
+pronunciation differ from others in here?!
+
+
+ 
 Maybe because it is run by a USA based christian organisation who
+focus on the bible while most people here who gave their prononciation
+are native Greek speakers ?
+
+Because this thread is entitled "what is the origin of the word +mageia", I just add the following little piece of information. I had +dinner yesterday in a very pleasant japanese restaurant in Paris, and, +well, one of the participants was an erudite scholar, specialized in +ancient greek. I asked him about "mageia". He said it was a very +interesting term, the origin of which is still much debated. It is +generally thought to be linked to some proper names, like Machaon, a +warrior   on the side of the greeks in the Trojan War. Most +interestingly Machaon was a valued surgeon and medic.
+My friend said that the root *"mak-"*  (considered by philologists to +be linked to both "Machaon" and "mageia") was considered to be a +derivative of a Persian word, meaning something like : *vault*, +*protective vault* and in a more abstact derived meaning : *protective +knowledge* (hence the link with Machaon a character  mastering such +protective knowledge as medecine and surgery and the drift toward the +"magic" meaning).
+The debate about the word is not about what I just summarized, he +said,  but rather is this : "are proper names like Machaon, for +chararcters linked to protective knowledge, the origin of the term +which then drifted to a common name like "mageia", or, conversely was +the common name mageia the primary term which then drifted to secondary +proper names such as Machaon?"
+Some notion of 'protective knowledge' for the proper name of a  Linux +project is perhaps not so bad, don't you think so ?
+
+ + diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100922/b2ca497c/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100922/b2ca497c/attachment.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..2b7303ad1 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100922/b2ca497c/attachment.html @@ -0,0 +1,51 @@ + + + + + + +Le 21/09/2010 20:28, Wolfgang Bornath a écrit : +
+ 
2010/9/21 Maurice Batey <maurice@bcs.org.uk>:
+
+
+ 
Why does the
+
+   http://www.searchgodsword.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=3095he
+
+pronunciation differ from others in here?!
+
+
+ 
 Maybe because it is run by a USA based christian organisation who
+focus on the bible while most people here who gave their prononciation
+are native Greek speakers ?
+
+Because this thread is entitled "what is the origin of the word +mageia", I just add the following little piece of information. I had +dinner yesterday in a very pleasant japanese restaurant in Paris, and, +well, one of the participants was an erudite scholar, specialized in +ancient greek. I asked him about "mageia". He said it was a very +interesting term, the origin of which is still much debated. It is +generally thought to be linked to some proper names, like Machaon, a +warrior   on the side of the greeks in the Trojan War. Most +interestingly Machaon was a valued surgeon and medic.
+My friend said that the root *"mak-"*  (considered by philologists to +be linked to both "Machaon" and "mageia") was considered to be a +derivative of a Persian word, meaning something like : *vault*, +*protective vault* and in a more abstact derived meaning : *protective +knowledge* (hence the link with Machaon a character  mastering such +protective knowledge as medecine and surgery and the drift toward the +"magic" meaning).
+The debate about the word is not about what I just summarized, he +said,  but rather is this : "are proper names like Machaon, for +chararcters linked to protective knowledge, the origin of the term +which then drifted to a common name like "mageia", or, conversely was +the common name mageia the primary term which then drifted to secondary +proper names such as Machaon?"
+Some notion of 'protective knowledge' for the proper name of a  Linux +project is perhaps not so bad, don't you think so ?
+
+ + diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100922/bf4f3ced/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100922/bf4f3ced/attachment-0001.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..9b83e1209 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100922/bf4f3ced/attachment-0001.html @@ -0,0 +1,23 @@ +
Thats a good idea, but I was "voting up" what many others had already said. that: cauldron was a good choice.

or just select a few names that from the list below and start a new thread just for 'voting'. at the end of  a voting period. name choosen. 


From: Catalin Florin RUSSEN <cfrussen@yahoo.co.uk>
To: Mageia general discussions <mageia-discuss@mageia.org>
Sent: Wed, September 22, 2010 8:58:36 + AM
Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker

+
Why we don't just edit a page on the wiki with all this proposed names, and one the list is "complete" to propose a pool and vote for the one we like most?

Cheers,
Florin

From: "borg1911-n6@yahoo.com" <borg1911-n6@yahoo.com>
To: Mageia general discussions <mageia-discuss@mageia.org>
Sent: Wed, 22 September, 2010 17:11:21
Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] New name for + cooker

Hi all, I am new here but "cauldron" is a good name.


-Nex6

From: Olivier Thauvin <nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org>
To: mageia-discuss@mageia.org
Sent: Tue, September 21, 2010 5:57:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker

+* Olivier Thauvin (nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org) wrote:
> * Olivier Thauvin (nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org) wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I am in charge of finding the replacement name for "cooker", eg the
> > development version of Mageia.
>
> Thanks you for your suggestions.

I just sort all suggestions as promise I give you a summary.

Please, limit your post on this list, this thread has cause enought
noise already.

If you have a good reason to eliminate a word, or want more explanation,
mail me directly or sent me a message on IRC (Nanar, Freenode), I'll
post a sumarry here if need.

I did learn a lot of words !

I made some + choice for you (sorry):
- read your mail, then take + decision according comment
- check quickly on google for major conflicts (such as widelly know
  trademark, well know software, ...).

My favorites are word related to room or recipient (to push a change
in...). I did also notice a lot mail in favor of 'cauldron'.

The list, # mean the word is definitely discard (see the comment to find why).

# Abracadabra - Way too long
Agora - too common, and http://www.agora.gouv.fr/
Alakazam - like the pokemon ?
alchemy - hard to pronouce
Baker
bakery
# blender - it is the name of a well know software
brewery, brew - religious issue
Bubbling
campus
cauldron - taken by sourcemage (is this an issue ?)
Chef
concert
crucible
# Delphi - refer to Borland delphi
Dreamspot
edge
elixir
Enchantment
fire
fireworks
foundry
genesis
harmony
# + Hephaestus - + complicated
Infusion
kettle
kitchen - isn't too refering to cooker ?
Manna
# mathetria - mean a disciple (female), complicated
# mercurial - name of a RCS, will cause mistakes
mercury
mill
mixer
Mystique - is it correct in english ?
# Olympus - Camera trademark
oven
Pan
# Phoenix - too complicated, will cause error "Å“"
# pioneer - trademark
Potion room - one uniq word would better
# Pot - "pott" refer to drugs
Presto
Prometheus - "Prometheus is a fictional character in the Marvel Universe", I suggest to avoid... :)
quicksilver
rookery
# root - will cause mistake with the user
stove
Synergy - a free software
# Ta Da! - one word would make our life easier
# Tea party - politics issue
testing - like debian, no personnality
transmutation
twig
# unity - name of a distribution (mdv/mageia based !)
Vesuvius
Vulcan
Vulcano
wok
works - like Ms product + ?


--

Olivier Thauvin
CNRS  -  LATMOS
♖ ♘ ♗ ♕ ♔ ♗ ♘ ♖
+ + + +
+

+ + + +
+ + + +
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Thats a good idea, but I was "voting up" what many others had already said. that: cauldron was a good choice.

or just select a few names that from the list below and start a new thread just for 'voting'. at the end of  a voting period. name choosen. 


From: Catalin Florin RUSSEN <cfrussen@yahoo.co.uk>
To: Mageia general discussions <mageia-discuss@mageia.org>
Sent: Wed, September 22, 2010 8:58:36 + AM
Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker

+
Why we don't just edit a page on the wiki with all this proposed names, and one the list is "complete" to propose a pool and vote for the one we like most?

Cheers,
Florin

From: "borg1911-n6@yahoo.com" <borg1911-n6@yahoo.com>
To: Mageia general discussions <mageia-discuss@mageia.org>
Sent: Wed, 22 September, 2010 17:11:21
Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] New name for + cooker

Hi all, I am new here but "cauldron" is a good name.


-Nex6

From: Olivier Thauvin <nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org>
To: mageia-discuss@mageia.org
Sent: Tue, September 21, 2010 5:57:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker

+* Olivier Thauvin (nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org) wrote:
> * Olivier Thauvin (nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org) wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I am in charge of finding the replacement name for "cooker", eg the
> > development version of Mageia.
>
> Thanks you for your suggestions.

I just sort all suggestions as promise I give you a summary.

Please, limit your post on this list, this thread has cause enought
noise already.

If you have a good reason to eliminate a word, or want more explanation,
mail me directly or sent me a message on IRC (Nanar, Freenode), I'll
post a sumarry here if need.

I did learn a lot of words !

I made some + choice for you (sorry):
- read your mail, then take + decision according comment
- check quickly on google for major conflicts (such as widelly know
  trademark, well know software, ...).

My favorites are word related to room or recipient (to push a change
in...). I did also notice a lot mail in favor of 'cauldron'.

The list, # mean the word is definitely discard (see the comment to find why).

# Abracadabra - Way too long
Agora - too common, and http://www.agora.gouv.fr/
Alakazam - like the pokemon ?
alchemy - hard to pronouce
Baker
bakery
# blender - it is the name of a well know software
brewery, brew - religious issue
Bubbling
campus
cauldron - taken by sourcemage (is this an issue ?)
Chef
concert
crucible
# Delphi - refer to Borland delphi
Dreamspot
edge
elixir
Enchantment
fire
fireworks
foundry
genesis
harmony
# + Hephaestus - + complicated
Infusion
kettle
kitchen - isn't too refering to cooker ?
Manna
# mathetria - mean a disciple (female), complicated
# mercurial - name of a RCS, will cause mistakes
mercury
mill
mixer
Mystique - is it correct in english ?
# Olympus - Camera trademark
oven
Pan
# Phoenix - too complicated, will cause error "Å“"
# pioneer - trademark
Potion room - one uniq word would better
# Pot - "pott" refer to drugs
Presto
Prometheus - "Prometheus is a fictional character in the Marvel Universe", I suggest to avoid... :)
quicksilver
rookery
# root - will cause mistake with the user
stove
Synergy - a free software
# Ta Da! - one word would make our life easier
# Tea party - politics issue
testing - like debian, no personnality
transmutation
twig
# unity - name of a distribution (mdv/mageia based !)
Vesuvius
Vulcan
Vulcano
wok
works - like Ms product + ?


--

Olivier Thauvin
CNRS  -  LATMOS
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+ + + +
+

+ + + +
+ + + +
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+ +
Regarding the future plans, I was thinking that you could consider becoming a cooperative, since it upholds most of the values behind free software by itself, is a community enterprise, and -being an established movement- has an enormous amount of financial resources available to its development. It is offered simply a means to fund the community, not a community in itself. I will brief a bit why I think this is a good choice, but in the end it's the community's choice what should reign, and I will support it whichever way I can (I'm unemployed right now) regardless of their choice.
+ +
1 - collective capital. That means the project will never be individually owned or become a free rider inside a corporation's umbrella. More importantly, it ensures democracy in the decisions due to joint ownership (there is a whole standardized structure to ensure democracy and full excercise of joint ownership inside cooperatives).
+ +2 - transparency. Cooperatives and Linux believe in openness, which in Linux means anybody can use, modify and redistribute particular works. A similar thing happens in cooperatives; every associate holds the institution accountable for the safe management of their funding, which means that all accountings and dealings must be openly communicated to all members.
+ +3 - opportunities - Cooperatives have created a complete ecosystem for funding, educating, and assisting emerging institutions: there are international alliances such as the International Cooperative Alliance, thousands of national-scale organizations, cooperative banks, and virtually almost any kind of service possible. By choosing to create a cooperative, we would not necessarily need to rely on our own capital, but we could finance our initial investments through cooperatives specially dedicated for the development of these community enterprises. (e.g. http://www.cdscotland.co.uk/).
+ +4 - it is a nonprofit organization by its own structure.

My idea is that we create a software cooperative that is dedicated to funding Mageia Linux through various digital and cooperative means. The cooperative would contribute to Mageia, and Mageia would contribute back to the community. That's the general plan, but I can make more specific statements and answers to queries if needed/wanted.
+ +
Anyway, the most important thing is, it's a means to help the entire Linux community grow. The definition of cooperative says much more than my blabbering: "A co-operative is an autonomous association of persons united +voluntarily to meet their common economic, social, and cultural needs +and aspirations through a jointly-owned and democratically-controlled +enterprise." It's close enough to what you guys are doing.

There are a gazillion resources to help you guys organize into this model: we only need to adapt to it.

Just my 2 cents.
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+ +
Regarding the future plans, I was thinking that you could consider becoming a cooperative, since it upholds most of the values behind free software by itself, is a community enterprise, and -being an established movement- has an enormous amount of financial resources available to its development. It is offered simply a means to fund the community, not a community in itself. I will brief a bit why I think this is a good choice, but in the end it's the community's choice what should reign, and I will support it whichever way I can (I'm unemployed right now) regardless of their choice.
+ +
1 - collective capital. That means the project will never be individually owned or become a free rider inside a corporation's umbrella. More importantly, it ensures democracy in the decisions due to joint ownership (there is a whole standardized structure to ensure democracy and full excercise of joint ownership inside cooperatives).
+ +2 - transparency. Cooperatives and Linux believe in openness, which in Linux means anybody can use, modify and redistribute particular works. A similar thing happens in cooperatives; every associate holds the institution accountable for the safe management of their funding, which means that all accountings and dealings must be openly communicated to all members.
+ +3 - opportunities - Cooperatives have created a complete ecosystem for funding, educating, and assisting emerging institutions: there are international alliances such as the International Cooperative Alliance, thousands of national-scale organizations, cooperative banks, and virtually almost any kind of service possible. By choosing to create a cooperative, we would not necessarily need to rely on our own capital, but we could finance our initial investments through cooperatives specially dedicated for the development of these community enterprises. (e.g. http://www.cdscotland.co.uk/).
+ +4 - it is a nonprofit organization by its own structure.

My idea is that we create a software cooperative that is dedicated to funding Mageia Linux through various digital and cooperative means. The cooperative would contribute to Mageia, and Mageia would contribute back to the community. That's the general plan, but I can make more specific statements and answers to queries if needed/wanted.
+ +
Anyway, the most important thing is, it's a means to help the entire Linux community grow. The definition of cooperative says much more than my blabbering: "A co-operative is an autonomous association of persons united +voluntarily to meet their common economic, social, and cultural needs +and aspirations through a jointly-owned and democratically-controlled +enterprise." It's close enough to what you guys are doing.

There are a gazillion resources to help you guys organize into this model: we only need to adapt to it.

Just my 2 cents.
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From: Marc Paré <marc@marcpare.com>
To: mageia-discuss@mageia.org
Sent: Wed, September 22, 2010 9:37:50 AM
Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker

+Le 2010-09-22 12:27, Tux99 a �crit :
> On Thu, 23 Sep 2010, Kira wrote:
>>
>>> ��� Thu, 23 Sep 2010 00:10:00 +0800, Nex6<borg1911-n6@yahoo.com>������:
>>>
>>> Thats a good idea, but I was "voting up" what many others had already
>>> said.
>>> that: cauldron was a good choice.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> or just select a few names that from the list below and start a new
>>> thread just
>>> for 'voting'. at the end of  a voting period. name choosen.
>>>
>>>
>> Voting should be done with more open voting system.
>>
>> By mailing list would make less people can vote and cause everyone
>> using  mailing list flooded
>>
>> with voting + mail, which might be annoying.
>>
>> Maybe some voting web function put on the homepage is better.
>
> Nex6, Kira, Olivier Thauvin is rorganizing this and he will set up
> appropiate voting, he said so yesterday here in thi thread, so please
> wait for further news from him.

We will need to keep repeating this as new people on the mailist do not
have all of the messages from this thread. They think that the subject
line "New name for cooker" is still being discussed. Less of a problem
for the Usenet/Gmane readers.

Marc


that's what happened to me....  as I just joined the list last nite.

-Nex6

+ + + +
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From: Marc Paré <marc@marcpare.com>
To: mageia-discuss@mageia.org
Sent: Wed, September 22, 2010 9:37:50 AM
Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker

+Le 2010-09-22 12:27, Tux99 a �crit :
> On Thu, 23 Sep 2010, Kira wrote:
>>
>>> ��� Thu, 23 Sep 2010 00:10:00 +0800, Nex6<borg1911-n6@yahoo.com>������:
>>>
>>> Thats a good idea, but I was "voting up" what many others had already
>>> said.
>>> that: cauldron was a good choice.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> or just select a few names that from the list below and start a new
>>> thread just
>>> for 'voting'. at the end of  a voting period. name choosen.
>>>
>>>
>> Voting should be done with more open voting system.
>>
>> By mailing list would make less people can vote and cause everyone
>> using  mailing list flooded
>>
>> with voting + mail, which might be annoying.
>>
>> Maybe some voting web function put on the homepage is better.
>
> Nex6, Kira, Olivier Thauvin is rorganizing this and he will set up
> appropiate voting, he said so yesterday here in thi thread, so please
> wait for further news from him.

We will need to keep repeating this as new people on the mailist do not
have all of the messages from this thread. They think that the subject
line "New name for cooker" is still being discussed. Less of a problem
for the Usenet/Gmane readers.

Marc


that's what happened to me....  as I just joined the list last nite.

-Nex6

+ + + +
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On 22 September 2010 00:54, Olivier Thauvin <nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org> wrote:
+
* Lombard Marianne (marianne@tuxette.fr) wrote:
+> Le 21/09/2010 09:41, Olivier Thauvin a écrit :
+> > Hi,
+
> /put is her feminist cloak
+> And why female must the disciple ?
+> /end of feminist time
+
+
The word for a man look like to less funny (matheteuo) and
+"distribution" in french is feminin word (I know english word don't have
+gender except ship).
+
+As I said, the idea can not please to everyone and we have enough any
+ideas for another name less chocking.
+
+--
+
+Olivier Thauvin
+CNRS  -  LATMOS
+♖ ♘ ♗ ♕ ♔ ♗ ♘ ♖
+
_______________________________________________
+Mageia-discuss mailing list
+Mageia-discuss@mageia.org
+https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss
+
Cauldron gets my vote
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On 22 September 2010 00:54, Olivier Thauvin <nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org> wrote:
+
* Lombard Marianne (marianne@tuxette.fr) wrote:
+> Le 21/09/2010 09:41, Olivier Thauvin a écrit :
+> > Hi,
+
> /put is her feminist cloak
+> And why female must the disciple ?
+> /end of feminist time
+
+
The word for a man look like to less funny (matheteuo) and
+"distribution" in french is feminin word (I know english word don't have
+gender except ship).
+
+As I said, the idea can not please to everyone and we have enough any
+ideas for another name less chocking.
+
+--
+
+Olivier Thauvin
+CNRS  -  LATMOS
+♖ ♘ ♗ ♕ ♔ ♗ ♘ ♖
+
_______________________________________________
+Mageia-discuss mailing list
+Mageia-discuss@mageia.org
+https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss
+
Cauldron gets my vote
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Le mercredi 22 septembre 2010 16:49:05, Anne nicolas a écrit :

+

> Hi all

+

>

+

> News on our messy kitchen available below :)

+

> http://blog.mageia.org/?p=18

+

>

+

> (other languages coming soon)

+

>

+

> As you can see work is going on and we are doing everything so that we

+

> can start very soon.

+

> As a reminder, you can register on http://mageia.org/wiki if you wish

+

> to contribute or have a look on http://donation.mageia.org to help

+

> Mageia project.

+

>

+

> Thanks again for your support

+

> Cheers!

+

>

+

> -------

+

> Anne

+

> _______________________________________________

+

> Mageia-discuss mailing list

+

> Mageia-discuss@mageia.org

+

> https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss

+

Excelent! :)

+

+

I wonder to know if there is already a ideology for mageia. So we can answer the 10,000 million quiestion: what is the difference with mandriva?

+

+

I mean for a normal user, someone that is not involved with the linux movement. Lets say as an example, in 1998, when i started with Linux, i did ask several people for what should be my first distro. Everybody toldme Mandrake, because it was for quick star for newbies. That was the big difference with other distros.

+

+

I wonder if there is a state like this.

+

+

LD

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Le mercredi 22 septembre 2010 16:49:05, Anne nicolas a écrit :

+

> Hi all

+

>

+

> News on our messy kitchen available below :)

+

> http://blog.mageia.org/?p=18

+

>

+

> (other languages coming soon)

+

>

+

> As you can see work is going on and we are doing everything so that we

+

> can start very soon.

+

> As a reminder, you can register on http://mageia.org/wiki if you wish

+

> to contribute or have a look on http://donation.mageia.org to help

+

> Mageia project.

+

>

+

> Thanks again for your support

+

> Cheers!

+

>

+

> -------

+

> Anne

+

> _______________________________________________

+

> Mageia-discuss mailing list

+

> Mageia-discuss@mageia.org

+

> https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss

+

Excelent! :)

+

+

I wonder to know if there is already a ideology for mageia. So we can answer the 10,000 million quiestion: what is the difference with mandriva?

+

+

I mean for a normal user, someone that is not involved with the linux movement. Lets say as an example, in 1998, when i started with Linux, i did ask several people for what should be my first distro. Everybody toldme Mandrake, because it was for quick star for newbies. That was the big difference with other distros.

+

+

I wonder if there is a state like this.

+

+

LD

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