[Mageia-discuss] Handbooks - the lot

Wed Apr 11 16:05:23 CEST 2012

Στις 11 Απριλίου 2012 3:53 μ.μ., ο χρήστης Wolfgang Bornath <
+molch.b at googlemail.com> έγραψε:
+
+> 2012/4/11 Olav Vitters <olav at vitters.nl>:
+> > On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 02:23:36PM +0200, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
+> >> > Seems you're just repeating what I suggested: if there is a need,
+> check
+> >> > if it can be possible.
+> >>
+> >> Hmm, Obviously we are talking about different things. I thought I
+> >> clearly showed that there is a need and that the topic of thei thread
+> >> is to find a solution.
+> >
+> > The thread is just a request to exclude documentation. IMO the real need
+> > is unclear (not only disk space apparently). If you fulfill every
+> > request right away, you'll end up with a lot of options. Better to
+> > analyse why something is asked and provide that. Gives a better
+> > experience than just another option somewhere.
+> >
+> >> > At the moment the only concern seems to be disk space. If that is the
+> >> > only reason, just do it automatically and/or have a special disk space
+> >> > concious section. Fully analysing why to exclude would allow that will
+> >> > ensure it is there when expected, instead of just being an option you
+> >> > have to search for.
+> >>
+> >> No, disk space is not the only reason but the most prominent. For the
+> >> rest of this paragraph I have no clue what you are talking about.
+> >> Either it's the language barrier or maybe my lack of tech
+> >> understanding.
+> >
+> > I mean that is is better to know more than "exclude documentation". That
+> > is just a request, but I don't get why it is made. E.g. if the sole
+> > reason would be to minimize disk space, then the most logical thing is
+> > to include this where disk space is handled.
+> >
+> > I'm not talking technical, but more use cases.
+> >
+> > E.g. yesterday one of my disks was full. I could easily resolve, but
+> > once you understand that one of the reasons for the exclusion of
+> > documentation is disk space, then you can put intelligence to exclude
+> > documentation not only in the Mageia installer, but also in the
+> > notification of not enough disk space (you could have an option to
+> > remove the documentation on disk). Similarly, if I move to a bigger
+> > disk, I might want to easily reinstall the documentation that was
+> > manually removed.
+> >
+> > Now if the only possibility to exclude documentation was in the Mageia
+> > installer, then such an installer option doesn't really help when you
+> > lack disk space later on.
+> >
+> > Hope you're getting what I am after.
+> >
+> > Btw: I am not trying to do anything near "stop energy", just want to
+> > understand the use case better. The "why" is what I am after.
+>
+> Yes, I see, thx for clarification.
+>
+> Now, we have several use cases here:
+>
+> 1 - disk is small (I have a netbook with a 4Gb SSD), I don't want to
+> waste space for ballast.
+> 2 - disk is small, I don't want to waste space for ballast but I want
+> some handbooks and/or some documentation (meaning I can mark the
+> handbook I want and leave out all others)
+> 3 - disk space is no issue but I do not want to bloat the installation
+> and only want the software installed which I really use.
+> 4 - disk space is no issue but I want to save download ressources when
+> doing updates with rpmdrake (where you can't just say '--no-suggests')
+> 5 - disk space becomes an issue later so I want to remove all the
+> handbooks with rpmdrake but not the applications themselves. And I
+> don't want to go 'rpm -e -nodeps' for each and every single handbook
+>
+> I am sure there are more use cases, for me the need for a small
+> installation was the small SSD in the netbook but I also think as #3
+>
+> --
+> wobo
+>
+
+On the other hand if someone has a real limit with hard disk space, he can
+use another DE as icewm or lxde.
+Or in KDE he can delete the handbook folder (doc/HTML) and what ever folder
+thinks that takes usefulness place in the drive.
+If we don't provide the handbooks (with the applications) we will devalue
+its importance, and personally will be very discouraged to translate them.
+
+* I am not at home, actually  how much space they take ? For what kind of
+size we are talking about ?
+
+
+
+-- 
+Dimitrios Glentadakis
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