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[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements?

+ Wolfgang Bornath + molch.b at googlemail.com +
+ Sun Jan 29 06:03:28 CET 2012 +

+
+ +
2012/1/28 Antoine Pitrou <solipsis at pitrou.net>:
+> On Sat, 28 Jan 2012 20:19:45 +0100
+> Wolfgang Bornath <molch.b at googlemail.com>
+> wrote:
+>>
+>> > (and let's not talk about "Modern GUI": for me Gnome 2 is as modern as
+>> > Gnome 3 and KDE 4)
+>>
+>> "modern" in this context means "opposed to the traditional GUIs".
+>
+> "traditional" is undefined. Is Gnome 2 traditional? What about Gnustep?
+> And Cinnamon?
+>
+> For example, I'd like to see Cinnamon in the next Mageia, not because
+> it's traditional or modern, but because it's for me the only reasonable
+> compensation for losing Gnome 2.
+>
+>> > So, I've answered the poll, but my real answer is the following: if I
+>> > had to use a distribution with only 3 qualities out of all these, I
+>> > would be an unhappy user.
+>>
+>> Looks like you did not read the initial posting where I explain what I
+>> mean with "top requirements". Of course I could have allowed for 5 or
+>> 10 votes, but my intention is to find out the most important features
+>> a distribution must have, otherwise you would not touch it.
+>
+> Well, what I'm saying is that "top requirements" is not how I function,
+> and I don't think it's how most users function either.
+
+No problem if it is not how you function. Your opinion about other
+users is your opinion.
+
+> This poll sounds like you might end up concluding "ok, our users value
+> features over stability, so we're gonna make a crashy distro with many
+> features". Surely you understand how unreasonable that is: even these
+> users which said they values features will still get angry about the
+> crashes.
+
+If you want to draw such unreasonable conclusions, fine. Don't expect
+me to do the same.
+
+-- 
+wobo
+
+ + + + +
+

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[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements?

+ Wolfgang Bornath + molch.b at googlemail.com +
+ Sun Jan 29 06:11:49 CET 2012 +

+
+ +
2012/1/28 Michael Scherer <misc at zarb.org>:
+> Le samedi 28 janvier 2012 à 20:37 +0100, Antoine Pitrou a écrit :
+>> On Sat, 28 Jan 2012 20:19:45 +0100
+>> Wolfgang Bornath <molch.b at googlemail.com>
+>> wrote:
+>> >
+>> > > (and let's not talk about "Modern GUI": for me Gnome 2 is as modern as
+>> > > Gnome 3 and KDE 4)
+>> >
+>> > "modern" in this context means "opposed to the traditional GUIs".
+>>
+>> "traditional" is undefined. Is Gnome 2 traditional? What about Gnustep?
+>> And Cinnamon?
+>>
+>> For example, I'd like to see Cinnamon in the next Mageia, not because
+>> it's traditional or modern, but because it's for me the only reasonable
+>> compensation for losing Gnome 2.
+>>
+>> > > So, I've answered the poll, but my real answer is the following: if I
+>> > > had to use a distribution with only 3 qualities out of all these, I
+>> > > would be an unhappy user.
+>> >
+>> > Looks like you did not read the initial posting where I explain what I
+>> > mean with "top requirements". Of course I could have allowed for 5 or
+>> > 10 votes, but my intention is to find out the most important features
+>> > a distribution must have, otherwise you would not touch it.
+>>
+>> Well, what I'm saying is that "top requirements" is not how I function,
+>> and I don't think it's how most users function either.
+>>
+>> I mean, I certainly want no crashes (who wants crashes in the middle
+>> of an editing session?) and I certainly want hardware support (otherwise
+>> how would I use my computer?), but I also want stability, good support,
+>> a nice community, a good choice of software, etc. I don't draw a
+>> hierarchy of these criteria: they are *all* important.
+>
+> The issue is that they cannot be done all at the same time.
+
+Yes. That's why polls are made. If you can do everything at the same
+time you don't need any polls at all.
+
+> While I appreciate Wobo efforts to get meaningful numbers, I am rather
+> doubtful about a few things. First, the choice of questions make me
+> wonder, since my memories tell me that for doing such kind of polls, you
+> first need to do preliminary research to find the options.
+
+The questions are a result of reading user's postings for quite some years.
+
+> There is for example various things like :
+> "networking out of the box", and "good hardware recognition" that are
+> the same.
+
+Not at all. Example: my wifi hardware is recognized out of the box but
+it is a drag to get it working.
+
+> And LTS go hand to hand with "stable as top priority" ( since LTS mean
+> the system do not change for a long time, and usually, once enough bugs
+> are fixed, softwares are rather stable ).
+
+Not the same.
+
+> Not to mention that a poll may give incorrect expectation to people, and
+> usually only measure a fraction of the users.
+
+Yes, same as elections and marketing surveys.
+
+> And more importantly, it doesn't help us on the crucial thing ( IMHO ),
+> how to expend the contributeurs pool.
+> I think asking "where would you want to put efforts in the next year for
+> Mageia" would allow us to better see what kind of priority we should
+> have to grow the community. ( followed by discussions of "why don't you
+> do it now" that would help finding potential weak spots in the system ).
+>
+> This or asking directly, "why don't you work on $FOO". Users will come
+> when we have a great product ( ie, grow naturally up to a point ). And
+> product will be great with enough contribution, hence the focus on that.
+
+This was never the goal of this poll. Why don't you start such a poll yourself?
+
+@ALL: Thx for your opinions though I wish you'd offer these there
+where the poll is and not where I merely gave a pointer to the poll.
+
+-- 
+wobo
+
+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
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[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements?

+ Wolfgang Bornath + molch.b at googlemail.com +
+ Sun Jan 29 06:16:00 CET 2012 +

+
+ +
2012/1/29 Wolfgang Bornath <molch.b at googlemail.com>:
+>
+> @ALL: Thx for your opinions though I wish you'd offer these there
+> where the poll is and not where I merely gave a pointer to the poll.
+
+After reading/writing mails I saw that misc gave his view in the
+forum, although not the same as here. So the last line does not apply
+to him.
+
+-- 
+wobo
+
+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
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[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements?

+ Moreau Serge + serge.moreau at wanadoo.fr +
+ Sun Jan 29 07:34:49 CET 2012 +

+
+ +
Just to mention my opinion on this poll.
+I think it is useful and need to be diffuse. Evidently all points can not be 
+reached immediately. I am not an expert at all, but i used Mandrake, Mandriva 
+and Mageia for at least the last 8 years. More importantly, i tried to 
+convince friends to have a look at linux systems, and for some of them i 
+succeeded and bought with them machines which may have the more chances to run 
+linux successfully.
+The most difficult things, they have to admit is that the wifi, the sound, the 
+webcam of the laptop they bought wont work. They also want to enjoy most of 
+internet abilities, videos, and VOIP.
+However they easily admit somes advantages in term absence of virus risks, and 
+accept  to move towards new softwares.
+
+That's why I think we must focus on hardware recognition and the ability to 
+use some nonfree codecs. An easy installer is not in that case particularly 
+important, and the state reached by mageia actually is good.
+
+smoreau
+
+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
+

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[Mageia-discuss] Quartus on Mageia

+ Jeff Robins + jeffrobinssae at gmail.com +
+ Sun Jan 29 10:05:45 CET 2012 +

+
+ +
I rebuilt libxml2 from source,  32 bit, but I still have the problem
+On Jan 28, 2012 2:22 PM, "Jeff Robins" <jeffrobinssae at gmail.com> wrote:
+
+> I cannot supply a direct link for the download because altera does not
+> allow you to download the software without registering. Registration and
+> the web edition of the software is free.
+> On Jan 28, 2012 1:15 PM, "Jeff Robins" <jeffrobinssae at gmail.com> wrote:
+>
+>> Sorry, I'm using the web edition, but it shouldn't matter as far as the
+>> installation is concerned.  I'll provide a full link when I get home.
+>> On Jan 28, 2012 9:33 AM, "Florian Hubold" <doktor5000 at arcor.de> wrote:
+>>
+>>> Am 28.01.2012 09:33, schrieb Jeff Robins:
+>>> > Hello,
+>>> >
+>>> > I'm trying to install Altera's Quartus v11 on 64-bit Mageia 1
+>>> Mind to share at least a link to what you tried to install?
+>>> Was it https://www.altera.com/download/software/quartus-ii-we
+>>> or https://www.altera.com/download/software/quartus-ii-se ?
+>>>
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[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements?

+ Marja van Waes + marja11 at xs4all.nl +
+ Sun Jan 29 10:37:04 CET 2012 +

+
+ +
On 28/01/12 22:37, imnotpc wrote:
+> On 01/28/2012 01:13 PM, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
+>> In https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=1661 there's a
+>> poll running which lists all kinds of important features of a
+>> distribution. Unfortunately until today this poll has not received
+>> enough attention to draw any reasonable and remarkable information
+>> about the topic.
+>>
+> Hi All,
+>
+> I'm new here (a couple months) but I registered on the forum so I 
+> could vote. However I agree with Antoine in that there are quite a few 
+> more than 3 of those choices that are "deal breakers". My reasons for 
+> coming to Mageia weren't listed specifically, so I thought this might 
+> be an appropriate time and place to tell you why I use Mageia.
+>
+> I'm a longtime Linux user (Redhat 6.2 was my first boxed set, but I 
+> tried a few before that). Over those years I've used a handful of 
+> distros and demoed a dozen others. I started with Redhat, then SUSE, 
+> Mandrake, openSUSE, Fedora, and now Mageia. That may sound like I'm 
+> fickle or hard to please, but as someone who manages a number of 
+> desktops and servers I assure you there were solid reasons for each 
+> switch. I'm not going to go OT with all the gory details of each 
+> change, but I can sum it up in a couple points that I hope are more 
+> valuable to the community that my vote on the forum.
+>
+> First, why I leave a distro: This is easy to describe but probably 
+> hard to accomplish. Regressions. When something that worked in the 
+> last release stops working in this one, that's a problem. If it's 
+> trivial to fix, then it's a small issue. If it takes days to fix or 
+> can't be fixed at all it's a deal breaker.
+>
+> Second, why I chose a distro: This is also easy to describe, but much 
+> harder to accomplish. It needs to install cleanly. Minor things like 
+> changing a checkbox during installation are no big deal. A failed 
+> install or a barebones desktop with no/poor configuration tools is a 
+> big deal. Also, I don't use any unusual or poorly supported software, 
+> so the software that I use must be in an official repo and easy to 
+> install.
+>
+> Third, my humble suggestion: If I were to describe a dev/release 
+> policy that was sure to make me happy it would be this:
+>
+> 1) Zero regression policy - I know this isn't possible, but I think it 
+> should be the highest priority.
+>
+> 2) If there will be a known regression or deprecated feature, it 
+> should be announced one release prior to being effective. This would 
+> give users time to adjust, find other software, or find another distro 
+> if need be.
+>
+> 3) Stable. With Linux I consider this a given, but it needs to be 
+> listed so that it doesn't get ignored.
+>
+> 4) Keep the community friendly and vibrant. I listed this as one of my 
+> 3 choices on the survey, not because it was a deal breaker, but 
+> because I think it is the strongest feature of Mageia and it would be 
+> truly unfortunate to lose it. This is the most respectful and friendly 
+> online community I've come across and you should all be very proud of 
+> what you've done in a short time. I wish my life were different and I 
+> could contribute.
+>
+Well, 12 hours ago you did contribute! Thanks a lot for telling about 
+your experiences and giving your opinion :)
+
+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
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[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements?

+ Michael Scherer + misc at zarb.org +
+ Sun Jan 29 14:05:34 CET 2012 +

+
+ +
Le dimanche 29 janvier 2012 à 06:11 +0100, Wolfgang Bornath a écrit :
+> 2012/1/28 Michael Scherer <misc at zarb.org>:
+
+> > While I appreciate Wobo efforts to get meaningful numbers, I am rather
+> > doubtful about a few things. First, the choice of questions make me
+> > wonder, since my memories tell me that for doing such kind of polls, you
+> > first need to do preliminary research to find the options.
+> 
+> The questions are a result of reading user's postings for quite some years.
+
+So basically, that's "because I know that's this, based on what I
+remember". But the formal methodology is a little bit more complex than
+that, mainly to avoid any specific bias due to the selection by the
+peson doing the poll.
+
+For example, the diversity of the group may be important, as well as the
+cultural norms. If you focus just on forums, you focus just on a certain
+type of users. Having numbers to present is also usually important to
+show your result as meaningful. 
+
+> > There is for example various things like :
+> > "networking out of the box", and "good hardware recognition" that are
+> > the same.
+> 
+> Not at all. Example: my wifi hardware is recognized out of the box but
+> it is a drag to get it working.
+
+Then why treat networking differently than any others functions like
+printing ?
+And what make you think that your specific issue is not linked to
+hardware problem ?
+
+Good hardware goes beyond "the interface appear in ifconfig, therefore,
+it is supported perfectly". That's usually the contrary, the whole
+drakxnet/wpa_supplicant/whatever bit work for some people and not from
+others, and the only stuff that change is the wifi chipset. That's
+likely a hardware support issue. Main developer of Network Manager
+explained that on his blog. People often tend to think that nm is
+broken, while the problem is usually a bug in the driver that is
+triggered by nm. 
+
+Hence, the question do not depict exactly what should be improved, just
+what some people think the problem is, without giving more informations
+on exactly the problem is. The poll is not the right tool for that, the
+bugzilla is ( and we are fully aware of the bugs that are reported ). 
+
+> > And LTS go hand to hand with "stable as top priority" ( since LTS mean
+> > the system do not change for a long time, and usually, once enough bugs
+> > are fixed, softwares are rather stable ).
+> 
+> Not the same.
+
+One is a consequence of the other, in my vision of a LTS ( and that's
+also the vision of Canonical, which is basically the only definition we
+have of LTS so far ). And as seen on Mandriva list or on the forum, LTS
+mean nothing for some users, and mean different things for different
+people ( ie, long term, how much is this ? support, what do it entail
+exactly ? ).
+
+For people that see LTS as "I never reinstall and get new versions of
+some stuff", there is a poll item. For those that say "I never reinstall
+and system do not move", there is a poll item. 
+
+So LTS can ( and rightfully ) be seen as a technical detail to achieve
+what people want, hence the few vote ( which doesn't reflect what people
+asked in others time ).
+
+> > Not to mention that a poll may give incorrect expectation to people, and
+> > usually only measure a fraction of the users.
+> 
+> Yes, same as elections and marketing surveys.
+
+Except for elections, you know who you ask and how many people, and
+that's to select someone, based on a large corpus of proposition, that's
+rather different.
+
+So that's more like a marketing survey, without enough detailed
+information ( like "we asked to people who are this age, this gender,
+this level of skills ). We will know what some people want, but not who
+they are. And without knowing who they are, we will not know if they are
+the ones we want, if the survey results are biased, or what kind of bias
+we should be careful of.
+
+For example, do we want to listen to people that are here since the
+start, or not ? To people that are outside of the current community, or
+those that are unsatisfied with their current distribution ?
+
+> > And more importantly, it doesn't help us on the crucial thing ( IMHO ),
+> > how to expend the contributeurs pool.
+> > I think asking "where would you want to put efforts in the next year for
+> > Mageia" would allow us to better see what kind of priority we should
+> > have to grow the community. ( followed by discussions of "why don't you
+> > do it now" that would help finding potential weak spots in the system ).
+> >
+> > This or asking directly, "why don't you work on $FOO". Users will come
+> > when we have a great product ( ie, grow naturally up to a point ). And
+> > product will be great with enough contribution, hence the focus on that.
+> 
+> This was never the goal of this poll. 
+
+I know this is not. However, that's a poll that would be more useful,
+since again, our first and foremost goal is to have contributions.
+Without this, the rest will not be 
+
+> Why don't you start such a poll yourself?
+
+You mean "why don't I start a vast social engineering campaign to
+recruit contributers ? "
+
+I already do it ( but I guess people do not see it ), but I never go to
+forums. I would not like people to step on my toes on sysadmin side, so
+I have the politeness of letting those that run the forums to take care
+of that. 
+
+> @ALL: Thx for your opinions though I wish you'd offer these there
+> where the poll is and not where I merely gave a pointer to the poll.
+
+Personally, I will continue here because the lack of thread in forum
+will make hard to have a meaningful discussion. I answered to the poll,
+and to the forum, but I do not think I can be as precise ( or read
+"verbose") there than I am on the ml.
+-- 
+Michael Scherer
+
+
+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
+

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[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements?

+ Antoine Pitrou + solipsis at pitrou.net +
+ Sun Jan 29 14:07:47 CET 2012 +

+
+ +
On Sun, 29 Jan 2012 06:03:28 +0100
+Wolfgang Bornath <molch.b at googlemail.com>
+wrote:
+> 
+> No problem if it is not how you function. Your opinion about other
+> users is your opinion.
+
+That's a rather silly answer isn't it? You are asking users' feedback
+and then tell them that you don't care about it.
+
+Good luck anyway, but I don't think your poll will teach you anything
+meaningful.
+
+Antoine.
+
+
+
+ + + +
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[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements?

+ Wolfgang Bornath + molch.b at googlemail.com +
+ Sun Jan 29 14:15:48 CET 2012 +

+
+ +
2012/1/29 Antoine Pitrou <solipsis at pitrou.net>:
+> On Sun, 29 Jan 2012 06:03:28 +0100
+> Wolfgang Bornath <molch.b at googlemail.com>
+> wrote:
+>>
+>> No problem if it is not how you function. Your opinion about other
+>> users is your opinion.
+>
+> That's a rather silly answer isn't it? You are asking users' feedback
+> and then tell them that you don't care about it.
+
+I asked user's feedback on their top requirements, you are talking
+about the usefulness of the question. 2 different things.
+
+-- 
+wobo
+
+ + + +
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[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements?

+ Oliver Burger + oliver.bgr at googlemail.com +
+ Sun Jan 29 14:37:32 CET 2012 +

+
+ +
2012/1/29 Wolfgang Bornath <molch.b at googlemail.com>:
+> 2012/1/29 Antoine Pitrou <solipsis at pitrou.net>:
+>> On Sun, 29 Jan 2012 06:03:28 +0100
+>> Wolfgang Bornath <molch.b at googlemail.com>
+>> wrote:
+>>>
+>>> No problem if it is not how you function. Your opinion about other
+>>> users is your opinion.
+>>
+>> That's a rather silly answer isn't it? You are asking users' feedback
+>> and then tell them that you don't care about it.
+Well, you told him how other users function, based on what knowledge?
+You can say something about how you function, but saying something
+about how most users function is a bit strange, don't you think?
+
+Just let us decide on our own, how we do function.
+
+Oliver
+
+ + + +
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[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements?

+ Wolfgang Bornath + molch.b at googlemail.com +
+ Sun Jan 29 14:38:39 CET 2012 +

+
+ +
2012/1/29 Michael Scherer <misc at zarb.org>:
+>
+>> @ALL: Thx for your opinions though I wish you'd offer these there
+>> where the poll is and not where I merely gave a pointer to the poll.
+>
+> Personally, I will continue here because the lack of thread in forum
+> will make hard to have a meaningful discussion.
+
+What do you mean by that? Combined with the poll is a discussion
+thread and you are welcome to share your thoughts like the other
+participants.
+
+> and to the forum, but I do not think I can be as precise ( or read
+> "verbose") there than I am on the ml.
+
+Why not? precise !=verbose.
+
+Anyhow, posting the poll in the forum led to the feedback I was out
+for. Posting it here led to a discussion about the poll itself - see
+the difference?
+I was never out for a professional analysis of the user's requirements
+- just an impression of what Mageia users are thinking when they look
+at Linux distributions. If I had wanted a professional and technical
+analysis I would have asked elsewhere, not in the forum and not here,
+I know the needs of a professional poll/survey
+
+Well, this is not leading anywhere at all. Participate or not, your
+decision. Start a poll you see as more important or not.
+
+-- 
+wobo
+
+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
+

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[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements?

+ Antoine Pitrou + solipsis at pitrou.net +
+ Sun Jan 29 16:06:05 CET 2012 +

+
+ +
On Sun, 29 Jan 2012 14:37:32 +0100
+Oliver Burger <oliver.bgr at googlemail.com>
+wrote:
+> 2012/1/29 Wolfgang Bornath <molch.b at googlemail.com>:
+> > 2012/1/29 Antoine Pitrou <solipsis at pitrou.net>:
+> >> On Sun, 29 Jan 2012 06:03:28 +0100
+> >> Wolfgang Bornath <molch.b at googlemail.com>
+> >> wrote:
+> >>>
+> >>> No problem if it is not how you function. Your opinion about other
+> >>> users is your opinion.
+> >>
+> >> That's a rather silly answer isn't it? You are asking users' feedback
+> >> and then tell them that you don't care about it.
+> Well, you told him how other users function, based on what knowledge?
+> You can say something about how you function, but saying something
+> about how most users function is a bit strange, don't you think?
+> 
+> Just let us decide on our own, how we do function.
+
+Well this is becoming quite sterile. I don't know how you can claim to
+represent (let alone "decide") "how [we] users function" better than
+anybody else. Unless you are the only user, of course :-)
+
+
+I would also point out that the listed requirements will have varying
+importances depending on the software and the use case. For example, a
+crashy basesystem or X server is very much a critical issue. On the
+other hand, I personally don't care if KDE is crashy since I don't use
+it. And even for some applications that I use (e.g. Brasero), I can use
+an alternative if it's not reliable enough.
+
+Similarly, I may want the latest version of a piece of software because
+it has some important feature or improvement (e.g. performance
+improvement). On the other hand I won't care about the latest Evolution
+version because the current one has all I need. So "I want the latest
+software" is not something I can either agree or disagree with: it's
+simply too vague.
+
+etc., etc.
+
+Regards
+
+Antoine.
+
+
+
+ + + +
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[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements?

+ Oliver Burger + oliver.bgr at googlemail.com +
+ Sun Jan 29 16:37:18 CET 2012 +

+
+ +
2012/1/29 Antoine Pitrou <solipsis at pitrou.net>:
+> Well this is becoming quite sterile. I don't know how you can claim to
+> represent (let alone "decide") "how [we] users function" better than
+> anybody else. Unless you are the only user, of course :-)
+You are able to read your own sentences? And you do understand them?
+
+After all it was you who claimed to know, how others function, not me,
+I cite you:
+"Well, what I'm saying is that "top requirements" is not how I function,
+and I don't think it's how most users function either."
+
+So read your own mail, before answering, will you?
+
+ + + +
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[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements?

+ Antoine Pitrou + solipsis at pitrou.net +
+ Sun Jan 29 17:16:26 CET 2012 +

+
+ +
On Sun, 29 Jan 2012 16:37:18 +0100
+Oliver Burger <oliver.bgr at googlemail.com>
+wrote:
+> 2012/1/29 Antoine Pitrou <solipsis at pitrou.net>:
+> > Well this is becoming quite sterile. I don't know how you can claim to
+> > represent (let alone "decide") "how [we] users function" better than
+> > anybody else. Unless you are the only user, of course :-)
+> You are able to read your own sentences? And you do understand them?
+> 
+> After all it was you who claimed to know, how others function, not me,
+> I cite you:
+> "Well, what I'm saying is that "top requirements" is not how I function,
+> and I don't think it's how most users function either."
+
+Wow...
+Surely you noticed the words "I don't *think* it's how *most* users",
+and how it doesn't mean that I claim to have that definitive knowledge
+you're talking about?
+
+But more baffling is how you chose to attack that one sentence instead
+of addressing the other remarks I made (including in the very message
+you're responding to). I'm not here to pick pointless fights with
+random people, I gave feedback as a mere user when *asked* to give
+feedback. If you don't want that then please be explicit about it.
+As far as I'm concerned, I gave feedback because I thought it could
+help; I don't have any emotional investment here.
+
+Regards
+
+Antoine.
+
+
+
+ + + +
+

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[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements?

+ Oliver Burger + oliver.bgr at googlemail.com +
+ Sun Jan 29 17:44:46 CET 2012 +

+
+ +
2012/1/29 Antoine Pitrou <solipsis at pitrou.net>:
+> Surely you noticed the words "I don't *think* it's how *most* users",
+> and how it doesn't mean that I claim to have that definitive knowledge
+> you're talking about?
+Now calm down, will you?
+Fact 1: You did write about "most" users.
+Fact 2: I asked you to let us (1) decide on our own how we do function.
+Fact 3: You claim, I wanted in some way to represent all users or
+decide something for them.
+Fact 4: I was just reacting to those strange facts
+
+(1) "us" as in "we are all users" and if I ask you to let "us" decide
+anything "on our own", then I do mean, everyone has the right to
+decide that for himself and he or she doesn't need anyone, who even
+thinks he knows it in advance.
+
+> But more baffling is how you chose to attack that one sentence instead
+> of addressing the other remarks I made (including in the very message
+> you're responding to). I'm not here to pick pointless fights with
+> random people, I gave feedback as a mere user when *asked* to give
+> feedback. If you don't want that then please be explicit about it.
+> As far as I'm concerned, I gave feedback because I thought it could
+> help; I don't have any emotional investment here.
+I didn't attack anything, I was just making it clear, that I did not
+have the intent to decide anything for anyone. Something you implied
+about me.
+
+About the poll in general and the other points raised here:
+First I did take part in it, although the points here are valid.
+It is not really fine-grained and some of the points wobo set there as
+possible answers do indeed overlap and others are missing completely.
+And sure: nobody did any kind of market analysis to know, what questions to ask.
+
+And yes, no poll like this can be representative in any way, actually
+it is totally unrepresentative, but it can give us ideas non the less.
+
+Oliver
+
+ + + + +
+

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[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements?

+ Wolfgang Bornath + molch.b at googlemail.com +
+ Sun Jan 29 17:46:53 CET 2012 +

+
+ +
2012/1/29 Antoine Pitrou <solipsis at pitrou.net>:
+> On Sun, 29 Jan 2012 16:37:18 +0100
+> Oliver Burger <oliver.bgr at googlemail.com>
+> wrote:
+>> 2012/1/29 Antoine Pitrou <solipsis at pitrou.net>:
+>> > Well this is becoming quite sterile. I don't know how you can claim to
+>> > represent (let alone "decide") "how [we] users function" better than
+>> > anybody else. Unless you are the only user, of course :-)
+>> You are able to read your own sentences? And you do understand them?
+>>
+>> After all it was you who claimed to know, how others function, not me,
+>> I cite you:
+>> "Well, what I'm saying is that "top requirements" is not how I function,
+>> and I don't think it's how most users function either."
+>
+> Wow...
+> Surely you noticed the words "I don't *think* it's how *most* users",
+> and how it doesn't mean that I claim to have that definitive knowledge
+> you're talking about?
+
+In my English you say "I understand how users function and I don't
+think this is the way.", but of course English is not my native
+language and it may be you wanted to say something different.
+
+> But more baffling is how you chose to attack that one sentence instead
+> of addressing the other remarks I made (including in the very message
+> you're responding to).
+
+IMHO Oliver is free to decide what he comments on and what not. Could
+be that he is not interested to enter this discussion, could be that
+he has a different opinon than you but does not waste his time, could
+be....
+
+> I gave feedback as a mere user when *asked* to give
+> feedback.
+
+No, you were invited to give feedback by participating in the poll.
+Probably you did that as well, I don't know, but here you did not give
+feedback to the topic, you commented on the poll and the options -
+which is certainly ok by me. But it's something else.
+
+As I already wrote, to me it makes no sense to continue this discussion.
+
+-- 
+wobo
+
+ + + + + + + + + +
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[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements?

+ Wolfgang Bornath + molch.b at googlemail.com +
+ Sun Jan 29 17:57:47 CET 2012 +

+
+ +
2012/1/29 Oliver Burger <oliver.bgr at googlemail.com>:
+>
+> About the poll in general and the other points raised here:
+> First I did take part in it, although the points here are valid.
+> It is not really fine-grained and some of the points wobo set there as
+> possible answers do indeed overlap and others are missing completely.
+> And sure: nobody did any kind of market analysis to know, what questions to ask.
+
+It was not fine grained as I would do a poll here or in the packagers
+list or similar. It was taken from forum posts of users over a long
+time.
+Of course some options overlap, for ex: "LTS" and "stable" - how do
+you know that users voting for "stable" will also vote for "LTS"? Same
+with other seemingly overlapping options.
+
+> And yes, no poll like this can be representative in any way, actually
+> it is totally unrepresentative, but it can give us ideas non the less.
+
+Actually you are the first one here who understands this. It was never
+meant to be representative at all! it was only meant as a snapshot of
+user opinions. Nobody should use this for any analysis or even guide
+to somewhere.
+
+-- 
+wobo
+
+ + + +
+

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[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements?

+ Michael Scherer + misc at zarb.org +
+ Sun Jan 29 19:26:09 CET 2012 +

+
+ +
Le dimanche 29 janvier 2012 à 17:57 +0100, Wolfgang Bornath a écrit :
+> It was never
+> meant to be representative at all! it was only meant as a snapshot of
+> user opinions. Nobody should use this for any analysis or even guide
+> to somewhere.
+
+Then I fail to understand the goal, especially since you started by :
+"Unfortunately until today this poll has not received
+enough attention to draw any reasonable and remarkable information
+about the topic."
+
+Can you explain more clearly what did you want to achieve ?
+
+-- 
+Michael Scherer
+
+
+ + + +
+

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[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements?

+ Wolfgang Bornath + molch.b at googlemail.com +
+ Sun Jan 29 20:54:06 CET 2012 +

+
+ +
2012/1/29 Michael Scherer <misc at zarb.org>:
+> Le dimanche 29 janvier 2012 à 17:57 +0100, Wolfgang Bornath a écrit :
+>> It was never
+>> meant to be representative at all! it was only meant as a snapshot of
+>> user opinions. Nobody should use this for any analysis or even guide
+>> to somewhere.
+>
+> Then I fail to understand the goal, especially since you started by :
+> "Unfortunately until today this poll has not received
+> enough attention to draw any reasonable and remarkable information
+> about the topic."
+>
+> Can you explain more clearly what did you want to achieve ?
+>
+> --
+> Michael Scherer
+
+Well, I explained it several times, pls excuse me if it wasn't clear
+enough for you.
+
+1. The poll is based on average user's postings over several years -
+you often read things like "I don't want that distribution because it
+does not....". So the goal was to put all these points into a list and
+let those same average users name what a distribution MUST have to
+become/stay their distribution. I stressed the point that I'm looking
+for functions, not single packages.
+
+2. If a resonable number of people (100-150, that's more than the
+active number of forum users) would have voted I could list the
+options, ordered by percentage of votes to give an impression of the
+distribution seen from the user side. Not more, no less. This
+impression may add to all other sources of information for those who
+actually work on the distribution.
+
+Hopefully I have done better this time. It's not always easy to
+explain such non-technical matters to somebody who sees all things
+from a technical point of view only (we have been there, remember?).
+
+-- 
+wobo
+
+ + + +
+

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[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements?

+ Olav Vitters + olav at vitters.nl +
+ Sun Jan 29 21:29:27 CET 2012 +

+
+ +
On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 08:54:06PM +0100, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
+> Hopefully I have done better this time. It's not always easy to
+> explain such non-technical matters to somebody who sees all things
+> from a technical point of view only (we have been there, remember?).
+
+I have not been responding, but if you think that is how people are
+responding, I suggest to re-read some of the messages.
+
+People have been given feedback that the setup of the poll results in it
+not being useful. Various reasons for this have been given.
+
+IMO, don't ask people what they want, give them what they didn't know
+they wanted.
+
+-- 
+Regards,
+Olav
+
+ + + +
+

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[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements?

+ Wolfgang Bornath + molch.b at googlemail.com +
+ Sun Jan 29 21:45:25 CET 2012 +

+
+ +
2012/1/29 Olav Vitters <olav at vitters.nl>:
+> On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 08:54:06PM +0100, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
+>> Hopefully I have done better this time. It's not always easy to
+>> explain such non-technical matters to somebody who sees all things
+>> from a technical point of view only (we have been there, remember?).
+>
+> I have not been responding, but if you think that is how people are
+> responding, I suggest to re-read some of the messages.
+
+I only meant misc with the last remark.
+
+> People have been given feedback that the setup of the poll results in it
+> not being useful. Various reasons for this have been given.
+
+Yes, valid reasons from their point of view and under different
+circumstances. Very early in the thread I wrote that this is not a
+professional survey with preliminary researxh, defined collection of
+users, etc., etc., so all those reasons which are correct in a
+professional environment do not apply here in the same way.
+
+> IMO, don't ask people what they want, give them what they didn't know
+> they wanted.
+
+Yes, from a marketing point of view of a company who produce consumer
+goods you are quite right. As you may have seen, there is enough room
+for inventions - I did not ask for favorite packages of backgrounds, I
+asked for features.
+
+-- 
+wobo
+
+ + + +
+

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[Mageia-discuss] Install

+ Florian Hubold + doktor5000 at arcor.de +
+ Sun Jan 29 21:55:54 CET 2012 +

+
+ +
Am 28.01.2012 23:08, schrieb Gary Montalbine:
+> On 01/24/2012 01:24 PM, Florian Hubold wrote:
+>> Am 24.01.2012 16:41, schrieb Gary Montalbine:
+>
+>>>> What was the particular install problem you encountered?
+>>>
+>>> My purchase order has Galaxy GT430R. The driver is from nvidia and listed as
+>>> Geforce 400 series.
+>>>
+>>> The kde desktop had no icons, incomplete toolbar at the bottom. Apparently
+>>> the approbriate files in my /home were not used. I also had this problem in
+>>> ML2010.2 and found and installed the nvidia driver. Problem corrected. I ran
+>>> the nvidia driver in init 3 and then went to kde and everything was restored
+>>> and looks good. I had also renamed .kde so I had a fresh kde file.  Maybe
+>>> this particular card is not supported.
+>>>
+>>> The only reason I mentioned this was because I thought a couple of other
+>>> people had remarked about galaxy cards.
+>>>
+>>> Gary
+>>>
+>> Particular model of the card should not matter. What matters is that you
+>> renamed
+>> your ~/.kde4/. I've not heard yet of any problem with galaxy cards, or any of
+>> the nvidia cards which use the 270series drivers (nvidia-current), which covers
+>> basically
+>> anything from Geforce 6100 up to Geforce GT590X.
+>
+> I installed the updated kernel-server today. I was unable to get into kde.
+> The reboot took me to init 3. I tried startx and got errors. I had to remove
+> the kernel. This might be a good time to see if my graphics card is
+> supported. If I reinstall the kernel-server it will take me to init 3. Can I
+> use XFdrake at this point to install the proper nvidia drivers? And then
+> startx to go into kde?
+> Gary
+>
+Probably because you didn't install kernel-servel-devel package which is needed
+for dksm to successfully rebuild the nvidia driver for the new kernel. So you
+should
+install kernel-server-latest and kernel-server-devel-latest to ensure you
+always have
+the latest server kernel and the corresponding -devel package. Then just run
+drakx11 to setup the nvidia, if still needed. IIRC, you need to reboot then.
+
+ + + + + +
+

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[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements?

+ Olav Vitters + olav at vitters.nl +
+ Sun Jan 29 22:06:58 CET 2012 +

+
+ +
On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 09:45:25PM +0100, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
+> Yes, valid reasons from their point of view and under different
+> circumstances. Very early in the thread I wrote that this is not a
+> professional survey with preliminary researxh, defined collection of
+> users, etc., etc., so all those reasons which are correct in a
+> professional environment do not apply here in the same way.
+
+If the result doesn't matter, and you ignore the feedback (thus
+cooperation) from developers, then I don't get the goal of such a poll.
+The only point is curiosity what some Mageia users say they want?
+
+FWIW, I'd love to have clear feedback on some relatively easy things to
+focus upon. This can be just from people on the mailing list instead of
+all users. But although I am willing to look to make things easier for
+the people who responded, I don't see anything that I can use.
+
+To take a positive approach:
+- I want to improve Mageia
+- would it be possible to turn this into something concrete contributors
+  can act upon?
+
+-- 
+Regards,
+Olav
+
+ + + +
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[Mageia-discuss] [Poll] What are your top requirements?

+ Juergen Harms + Juergen.Harms at unige.ch +
+ Sun Jan 29 22:38:06 CET 2012 +

+
+ +
How about suspending this discussion? Looking at the results, I am 
+surprised about the clear language they speak.
+
+It is now time that Wobo digests the result of the poll into his report: 
+that is where the discussion should resume - gives time to sharpen the 
+knifes!
+
+ + +
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[Mageia-discuss] Install

+ Gary Montalbine + gmontalbine at cox.net +
+ Sun Jan 29 23:10:24 CET 2012 +

+
+ +
+
+On 01/29/2012 03:55 PM, Florian Hubold wrote:
+> Am 28.01.2012 23:08, schrieb Gary Montalbine:
+>> On 01/24/2012 01:24 PM, Florian Hubold wrote:
+>>> Am 24.01.2012 16:41, schrieb Gary Montalbine:
+
+>> I installed the updated kernel-server today. I was unable to get into kde.
+>> The reboot took me to init 3. I tried startx and got errors. I had to remove
+>> the kernel. This might be a good time to see if my graphics card is
+>> supported. If I reinstall the kernel-server it will take me to init 3. Can I
+>> use XFdrake at this point to install the proper nvidia drivers? And then
+>> startx to go into kde?
+>> Gary
+>>
+> Probably because you didn't install kernel-servel-devel package which is needed
+> for dksm to successfully rebuild the nvidia driver for the new kernel. So you
+> should
+> install kernel-server-latest and kernel-server-devel-latest to ensure you
+> always have
+> the latest server kernel and the corresponding -devel package. Then just run
+> drakx11 to setup the nvidia, if still needed. IIRC, you need to reboot then.
+>
+I reinstalled the kernel-server latest and kernel-server-devel and then 
+used MCC to install the proprietary driver. It now works.
+
+Thanks, Gary
+
+ + +
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