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[Mageia-discuss] Is LTS still considered?

+ Juan R. de Silva + juan.r.d.silva at gmail.com +
+ Thu Nov 3 04:25:40 CET 2011 +

+
+ +
On Wed, 02 Nov 2011 04:28:45 -0400, andre999 wrote:
+
+> As for the "Smart-Phone madness", as you put it, I couldn't agree more.
+> Being a Gnome user, that affects me directly, and although initially
+> Gnome will have the classic Gnome appearance available, who knows about
+> the future.  
+
+Well, GNOME "classic" is classic only of appearance. Underneath of it is  
+completely castrated GNOME 3. Unfortunately even the "Smart-Phone 
+madness" is only half of the trouble. 
+
+There were a lot of clashes surrounding 2 rivals GUI, GNOME 3 Shell and 
+Unity.  Interestingly enough though nobody ever (AFAIK) mentioned that 
+whatever GUI would be, either GNOME 3 Shell, or Unity, or even GNOME 
+"classic", the problem is GNOME 3 itself. 
+
+I do not know what would be its future, but today it looks like it is 
+deliberately designed as NOT CUSTOMIZABLE DE. It's a nonsense - NOT 
+CUSTOMIZABLE Linux DE.
+
+People can agree or disagree on interface, e.g. out of 2 bad things I 
+personally would prefer Unity. But this would be my personal preference 
+and it's unproductive to be argued. But lack of customisation is 
+absolutely unacceptable and crazy idea.
+
+> There are other desktops which use much of the Gnome
+> infrastructure which will likely continue a more classic presentation.
+
+I've tried both XFCE and LXDE of different distributions. Out of two XFCE 
+is definitely more advanced. But even it is quite significant step back 
+from GNOME 2.
+
+> As well, Mageia has KDE.  We intend to keep supporting a wide range of
+> desktops.
+
+No offence, but for years I used to say that I never could stand KDE.
+
+Today I have installed Kubuntu and Mageia and I've learned to appreciate 
+it. I'm joking on myself saying:"What takes to make hardheaded one to 
+like KDE?.. GNOME 3."
+
+> BTW, it would be interesting to know what exactly you don't like about
+> the Mageia Control Centre.  The more feedback we have, the more we can
+> address any perceived weaknesses.  In addition to the ideas we already
+> have, collectively.
+
+My post already looks like an essay. I'm not sure this is the right place 
+for an extended feedback. I'll post it here for now. But if you could 
+suggest a more appropriate place to do it, I would appreciate it. So, 
+here we go...
+
+The problem general to Drak Control Center is inconsistency between GUI 
+interfaces of particular tools. 
+
+Some of them provide OK and/or Cancel buttons, which close a particular 
+tool and return a user to main Control Center window. IMHO, it is not 
+very obvious that clicking such a button will bring you back to the main 
+window.
+
+Others provide a File->Close option instead. The result of such selection 
+is not obvious again, and in addition is yet to be discovered. 
+
+Again to return to the main window from other tools the only option 
+available is to click on Close button at the right top corner of the 
+window. The last  leaves a definite impression of shutting down Control 
+Center itself.
+
+Some particular Control Center tools.
+
+1. A tool called "Vew and search system logs". 
+
+1.1 Please pay attention, it is not called "Search system logs" which in 
+reality it is, since I've not found any way to view any particular log in 
+its entirety using this tool.
+
+1.2. "Content of the file" pan is not resizable. If the findings are 
+numerous, it's like looking at them through a coin slot and is extremely 
+inconvenient.
+
+1.3 There is no way to add any particular log a user would like to see 
+(OK, "to search" through). Instead a rather limited number of options is 
+offered.
+
+IMHO, though it is not the best, the stock KDE log viewer is actually way 
+better and convenient to use.
+
+2. I hated these countless piling up dialog boxes in Control Center tools 
+in general and Mageia Software Management tool specifically.
+
+2.1 When you click on Update Your System icon 2 dialog boxes pile up on 
+top of each other both carrying the same message:"Please wait." The only 
+difference between them is that one disappears way faster then its 
+companion.
+
+2.2 Some of the mentioned dialog boxes pop up not taking in account the 
+location of their respective parent window.  Some of them pop up at the 
+bottom left corner of the desktop though their parent window is placed 
+anywhere else, e.g. at the Desktop center. Yet others pop up at the top 
+left corner of their parent window and are so small that their short 
+title or message cannot be displayed in its entirety.
+
+A lot of time these dialog boxes repeat the information already provided 
+by their parent window and/or ask to confirm an action already explicitly 
+accepted by the user in the parent window.
+
+E.g. Mageia Control Center shows a number of packages to be updated with 
+their respective version numbers. As soon as the user clicks Update 
+button a new dialog box is open (at the bottom left corner of the 
+desktop, never mind were the parent window is) with the message:"The 
+following packages are going to be installed. Is it OK to continue?" 
+and... It lists the same packages the user already accepted to be 
+installed by clicking Update button. The only new information provided 
+here is the total size of install.
+
+After the user clicks OK another dialog box appears showing progress of 
+each specific file in update. IMHO it would be way nicer to show progress 
+of each individual update in the parent window itself.
+
+2.3 The total update progress is not available to the user. Such 
+information information would be way more valuable than the progress of 
+each individual file, especially when there is a large number of files to 
+be updated. 
+
+2.4 Once being notified of updates available, I tried to run urpmi to 
+update my system from console. After urpmi completed update I almost 
+immediately get a notification from Software Management tool again. I 
+opened it and found the same list of files I'd just updated with urpmi. 
+Out of curiosity I accepted and drak as a "good boy" downloaded once 
+again the same long list of software and installed them again.
+
+I admit I am not aware yet of urpmi, rpm and Software Management tool 
+relationship. I do miss some knowledge here, since I've never used 
+neither Mandriva nor certainly Mageia before. But I was expecting 
+something I get used to on deb based systems. On them, if I see a GUI 
+notification of updates available but choose to open terminal and run 
+'apt-get upgrade', the notification goes away right after apt-get 
+completes the update. The same happens if in Fedora I would run 'yum 
+upgrade' from console, notifications from GUI goes away.
+
+Boy, I wonder if you or somebody else would read up to the end... :-)
+
+
+
+ + + +
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[Mageia-discuss] Is LTS still considered?

+ Morgan Leijström + fri at tribun.eu +
+ Thu Nov 3 11:01:04 CET 2011 +

+
+ +
torsdagen den 3 november 2011 04.25.40 skrev  Juan R. de Silva:
+
+> My post already looks like an essay. I'm not sure this is the right place
+> for an extended feedback.
+
+
+
+> I'll post it here for now. But if you could suggest a more 
+> appropriate place to do it, I would appreciate it. 
+
+I think the forum is better suited for this.
+
+(to not push long mails to "everybody", and may be easier to find when looking 
+for discussions if in proper subforum)
+
+-snip-
+
+> Boy, I wonder if you or somebody else would read up to the end... :-)
+
+I skimmed it, and agree on most points
+
+ + + +
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[Mageia-discuss] Invitation Google Groupes : Mageia GNU/Linux

+ Wasp (Google Groupes) + noreply at googlegroups.com +
+ Thu Nov 3 16:25:08 CET 2011 +

+
+ +
 A google group on Mageia!
+
+ À propos de ce groupe :
+Here you can find all discuss about Mageia GNU/Linux use and/or developpement.
+English group moderated.
+ 
+ Accepter cette invitation :
+ 
+ http://groups.google.com/group/mageia-gnulinux/sub?s=XvVpIBQAAABCpKgci3CDqhVGBhhrRzNTT45adePqBYimkDDrgfeYkg&hl=fr
+ 
+ Visiter ce groupe :
+ 
+ http://groups.google.com/group/mageia-gnulinux?hl=fr
+ 
+ Vous pouvez résilier votre abonnement à ce groupe à l'aide de l'URL suivante :
+
+ 
+ http://groups.google.com/group/mageia-gnulinux/unsub?u=XvVpIBQAAABCpKgci3CDqhVGBhhrRzNTT45adePqBYimkDDrgfeYkg&hl=fr
+ 
+ Si vous pensez que ce message relève d'une utilisation abusive, informez-en 
+l'équipe Google Groupes à l'aide de l'URL ci-dessous. 
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[Mageia-discuss] Invitation Google Groupes : Mageia GNU/Linux

+ Renaud (Ron) Olgiati + renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org +
+ Thu Nov 3 16:39:09 CET 2011 +

+
+ +
On Thursday 03 Nov 2011 12:25 my mailbox was graced by a message from Wasp 
+(Google Groupes) who wrote:
+>  À propos de ce groupe :
+> Here you can find all discuss about Mageia GNU/Linux use and/or
+> developpement. English group moderated.
+
+What is the point, given we already have Mageia-discuss ?
+ 
+Cheers,
+ 
+Ron.
+-- 
+    To fight and conquer in one hundred battles is not the highest skill.
+     To subdue the enemy with no fight at all, that's the highest skill.
+                                                               -- Sun Tzu
+                                    
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