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[Mageia-discuss] Network connection at install time

+ Len Lawrence + lcl at tarazed.demon.co.uk +
+ Mon Oct 10 00:08:49 CEST 2011 +

+
+ +
On 09/10/11 22:40, Frank Griffin wrote:
+> On 10/09/2011 05:23 PM, Len Lawrence wrote:
+>>  However, for the last five or six installs there has been
+>> native support but the attempt to connect at the end of the install
+>> has always failed.  On booting the new system the network comes up
+>> fine.
+> I'd say it is worth pursuing.  You should enter a bug report.  I 
+> assume you know that the network is actually up during the install, 
+> e.g. because you're doing a network install.  You would need to have a 
+> USB stick or a floppy disk available during install.  When you get 
+> whatever error you get during the updates phase at the end, switch to 
+> virtual console 2 via CTRL-ALT-F2 and type "bug".  This will place a 
+> diagnostic file on the USB or floppy called report.bug, which you 
+> should *attach* (not cut and paste) to the bug report.  It should 
+> contain the syslog, which should itself contain messages indicating 
+> why the network failed to come up.
+>
+No, the network is not up.  I install from the DVD.  It is at the end of 
+the installation that the script offers to try to connect.  As I said, 
+failure at this point does not bother me because I am not inclined to 
+install the updates at that point anyway - could make it a very long 
+night.  I had thought about a bug report but had no data.  However, on 
+my next install I shall be prepared.  Thanks for the information on how 
+to capture the required data.  And these failures apply across several 
+different systems and network hardware, wired or wireless, and always 
+from CD or DVD. The installations have nearly always been 
+straightforward (60-70 altogether) save for the inability to connect to 
+the net.  My experience shows that this is merely a glitch but newcomers 
+might fear that this means no networking after first boot.  I cannot 
+believe that this is not a common problem.
+
+
+ + + + +
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[Mageia-discuss] Network connection at install time

+ andre999 + andre999mga at laposte.net +
+ Mon Oct 10 00:18:46 CEST 2011 +

+
+ +
Len Lawrence a écrit :
+> I note from the latest posts that some people have unreliable
+> connections to the internet at install time.  Now in my 14 years of
+> installing mandrake, mandriva, mageia the web has never been available
+> during installation.  For some of those years it was dialup and in
+> later installs the network adapter was probably only supported under
+> windows.  However, for the last five or six installs there has been
+> native support but the attempt to connect at the end of the install
+> has always failed.  On booting the new system the network comes up
+> fine.
+>
+> Is this an area worth investigating?  It does not really bother me but
+> newcomers might have their confidence shaken at this point.
+>
+> Len
+
+I have had similar experiences, and I know the main reason in my case.
+My ISP cuts the connexion of users that have not made recent access.  
+(Sometimes in the last minute, sometimes in the last 5 minutes or longer.)
+I suspect that this is due to the shortage of IP adresses available.  
+(My ISP still uses only IPV4 for ordinary users.)
+So during installation, Internet is _never_ available, although right 
+after, I quickly have access.  (Normally in less than a minute, rarely 
+it takes a few minutes.)
+As well, I don't have the bandwidth to do a network install, which would 
+theoretically keep my connexion live.
+Additionally, my ISP has a policy of arbitrarily slowing down large 
+transfers (depending on network load), such as would occur with a 
+network install, making network install problematic, even with an 
+adequate bandwidth.
+I assume that many other users will face similar restrictions by their ISP.
+
+For newcomers, I would say that a warning to the effect that network 
+install may be unreliable, due to transfer restrictions by their ISP or 
+other factors, should be sufficient.
+And recommend install from ISO (DVD or live CD or USB) if they have 
+problems.
+
+-- 
+André
+
+
+ + + + + + + +
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[Mageia-discuss] Network connection at install time

+ Frank Griffin + ftg at roadrunner.com +
+ Mon Oct 10 00:50:25 CEST 2011 +

+
+ +
On 10/09/2011 06:08 PM, Len Lawrence wrote:
+>
+> No, the network is not up.  I install from the DVD.  It is at the end 
+> of the installation that the script offers to try to connect.  As I 
+> said, failure at this point does not bother me because I am not 
+> inclined to install the updates at that point anyway - could make it a 
+> very long night.  I had thought about a bug report but had no data.  
+> However, on my next install I shall be prepared.  Thanks for the 
+> information on how to capture the required data.  And these failures 
+> apply across several different systems and network hardware, wired or 
+> wireless, and always from CD or DVD. The installations have nearly 
+> always been straightforward (60-70 altogether) save for the inability 
+> to connect to the net.  My experience shows that this is merely a 
+> glitch but newcomers might fear that this means no networking after 
+> first boot.  I cannot believe that this is not a common problem.
+>
+>
+
+As far as I know, neither Mageia nor Mandriva support the use of 
+wireless during install, if that clears anything up.
+
+If the network failure is with a wired interface (eth0), then you have a 
+simple way to verify this without going very far into an install.  On 
+the DVD, in the {i586/x86_64}/install/images directory, find and burn 
+the boot.iso to a CD-R(W).  Then boot that CD, it ENTER for install, and 
+choose HTTP from the options.  The installer will ask you several 
+questions about what your network connection requires.  If you get as 
+far as having it ask you  for the name of the HTTP server, then your 
+network card works with the installer.  If you don't, the messages on 
+VC1/3/4 will probably tell you why.  None of this will affect anything 
+on your machine, so it's a non-intrusive test.
+
+ + + +
+

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[Mageia-discuss] Testers needed for hplip on Mageia 1

+ Gary Montalbine + gmontalbine at cox.net +
+ Mon Oct 10 03:37:01 CEST 2011 +

+
+ +
On 10/08/2011 03:41 AM, Florian Hubold wrote:
+> The QA team on Mageia is currently rather small, and we need
+> some people who have hp printers to help testing an update
+> to the hplip package.
+>
+> The bug report for the update is
+> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2816
+
+> After that, either add an entry to the bug report, or reply to
+> this post, and I'll add the info to the bug report.
+>
+> Please include whether or not it works, and what system you're
+> using (32 or 64 bit, and type of printer).
+
+32 bit. Photosmart Plus B209a-m.
+>
+> We are mainly interested in cases where hplip is currently
+> working, to ensure this update doesn't create any new problems.
+
+Hplip works however it does not recognize the printer set up in MCC. I 
+have to reinstall the printer when I use hplip device manager. This 
+gives me 2 ppd's.
+
+Gary
+
+ + + + + + +
+

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[Mageia-discuss] Network connection at install time

+ Rémi Verschelde + remi at verschelde.fr +
+ Mon Oct 10 13:18:57 CEST 2011 +

+
+ +
2011/10/10 Frank Griffin <ftg at roadrunner.com>:
+>
+> If the network failure is with a wired interface (eth0), then you have a
+> simple way to verify this without going very far into an install.  On the
+> DVD, in the {i586/x86_64}/install/images directory, find and burn the
+> boot.iso to a CD-R(W).  Then boot that CD, it ENTER for install, and choose
+> HTTP from the options.  The installer will ask you several questions about
+> what your network connection requires.  If you get as far as having it ask
+> you  for the name of the HTTP server, then your network card works with the
+> installer.  If you don't, the messages on VC1/3/4 will probably tell you
+> why.  None of this will affect anything on your machine, so it's a
+> non-intrusive test.
+>
+
+Hum, IIRC, I experienced the same problem as Len with all my DVD
+installs: everything is okay except for network connection, which is
+then available with no issue on the first boot.
+Still, I installed Mageia RC with a net install thanks to boot.iso,
+and there was no issue.
+
+So the point may be elsewhere, maybe related to what andre said about his ISP?
+
+Regards,
+Rémi / Akien
+
+ + + +
+

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[Mageia-discuss] Network connection at install time

+ Antoine Pitrou + solipsis at pitrou.net +
+ Mon Oct 10 16:07:17 CEST 2011 +

+
+ +
On Mon, 10 Oct 2011 13:18:57 +0200
+Rémi Verschelde <remi at verschelde.fr> wrote:
+> 2011/10/10 Frank Griffin <ftg at roadrunner.com>:
+> >
+> > If the network failure is with a wired interface (eth0), then you have a
+> > simple way to verify this without going very far into an install.  On the
+> > DVD, in the {i586/x86_64}/install/images directory, find and burn the
+> > boot.iso to a CD-R(W).  Then boot that CD, it ENTER for install, and choose
+> > HTTP from the options.  The installer will ask you several questions about
+> > what your network connection requires.  If you get as far as having it ask
+> > you  for the name of the HTTP server, then your network card works with the
+> > installer.  If you don't, the messages on VC1/3/4 will probably tell you
+> > why.  None of this will affect anything on your machine, so it's a
+> > non-intrusive test.
+> >
+> 
+> Hum, IIRC, I experienced the same problem as Len with all my DVD
+> installs: everything is okay except for network connection, which is
+> then available with no issue on the first boot.
+
+I had the same experience too.
+I usually don't care since I can run the updates later on.
+
+Regards
+
+Antoine.
+
+
+
+ + + +
+

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[Mageia-discuss] Live CD

+ Gary Montalbine + gmontalbine at cox.net +
+ Mon Oct 10 16:40:12 CEST 2011 +

+
+ +
I installed Mageia to a spare HD. When asked what partitions I wanted to 
+use on the HD, one option was format the entire disk. I chose that and 
+was told to reboot so it would take effect. I rebooted and nothing had 
+changed. I had to go to MCC and delete each partition. It then worked
+
+Gary
+
+ + + + +
+

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[Mageia-discuss] Network connection at install time

+ Renaud (Ron) Olgiati + renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org +
+ Mon Oct 10 17:05:37 CEST 2011 +

+
+ +
On Monday 10 Oct 2011 11:07 my mailbox was graced by a message from Antoine 
+Pitrou who wrote:
+> I had the same experience too.
+> I usually don't care since I can run the updates later on.
+
+Same here, ever since I got broad(ish) band around the time Mandrake became 
+Mandriva; before that, I did not even try to start the networking in the days 
+of dial-up...
+ 
+Cheers,
+ 
+Ron.
+-- 
+                           On ne meurt qu'une fois,
+                           et c'est pour longtemps.
+                                        -- Molière
+                                    
+                   -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org --
+
+
+ + +
+

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[Mageia-discuss] Mageia review with bad experience

+ Romain d'Alverny + rdalverny at gmail.com +
+ Mon Oct 10 17:40:59 CEST 2011 +

+
+ +
On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 16:34, Frank Griffin <ftg at roadrunner.com> wrote:
+> The goal should be rather that the user has less or no *need* to look at the
+> help.  But it needs to be there for safety and comfort.
+
+Yes, that's the point. Making the installer so the user can be
+confident enough into it and shouldn't have to call for help (then
+installer "story" would then anticipate potential fears). And still
+make help available as a last resort.
+
+Romain
+
+ + + + +
+

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+ genomega + genomega at earthlink.net +
+ Mon Oct 10 17:42:59 CEST 2011 +

+
+ +
hello! http://seckin.tv/life.html?afriend=56y8
+
+ + + + + + +
+

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[Mageia-discuss] Meeting tomorrow

+ Oliver Burger + oliver.bgr at googlemail.com +
+ Mon Oct 10 18:43:39 CEST 2011 +

+
+ +
Hi out there,
+
+I would invite all of you for another meeting of the doc team and any 
+interested people out there who haven't joined us till now.
+
+We will meet as usual at 18.00 UTC in the  #mageia-doc channel on the Freenode 
+network.
+
+See you then,
+
+Oliver
+
+ + + + + + + + +
+

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[Mageia-discuss] [doc-discuss] Meeting tomorrow

+ Oliver Burger + oliver.bgr at googlemail.com +
+ Mon Oct 10 19:25:18 CEST 2011 +

+
+ +
Am Montag, 10. Oktober 2011, 19:05:22 schrieb lebarhon:
+> Le 10/10/2011 18:43, Oliver Burger a écrit :
+> > Hi out there,
+> > 
+> > I would invite all of you for another meeting of the doc team and any
+> > interested people out there who haven't joined us till now.
+> > 
+> > We will meet as usual at 18.00 UTC in the  #mageia-doc channel on the
+> > Freenode network.
+> > 
+> > See you then,
+> > 
+> > Oliver
+> 
+> Which day ? thursday ?
+Oups, sorry.
+
+As usual it would be Tuesday aka the one day without any other meeting aka 
+tomorrow.
+
+Oliver
+
+ + + + + + + + +
+

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+ Bogdan CAZACU + cazacu.bogdan at gmail.com +
+ Mon Oct 10 21:07:13 CEST 2011 +

+
+ +
you've got to be kidding me...
+
+SPAM?! HERE?! :-|
+
+On 10 October 2011 18:42, genomega <genomega at earthlink.net> wrote:
+
+> hello! http://seckin.tv/life.html?afriend=56y8
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+ Doug Lytle + support at drdos.info +
+ Mon Oct 10 21:14:36 CEST 2011 +

+
+ +
+Bogdan CAZACU wrote:
+> you've got to be kidding me...
+>
+> SPAM?! HERE?! :-|
+
+
+They're everywhere.
+
+(sigh)
+
+Doug
+
+-- 
+
+Ben Franklin quote:
+
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+ Johnny A. Solbu + cooker at solbu.net +
+ Mon Oct 10 21:36:16 CEST 2011 +

+
+ +
On Monday 10 October 2011 17:42, genomega wrote:
+> hello!
+
+I thought one had to be a member of the list in order to send mail here,
+so why have -discus@, -dev@ and cooker@ forwarded this crap to the subscribers?
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[Mageia-discuss] Mageia review with bad experience

+ Michael Scherer + misc at zarb.org +
+ Mon Oct 10 23:29:08 CEST 2011 +

+
+ +
Le dimanche 09 octobre 2011 à 17:31 -0400, TJ a écrit :
+> On 10/09/2011 02:58 PM, Bogdan CAZACU wrote:
+> > If "you" (the user) have any experience with linux you should allready
+> > know what the specific button would really do ;)
+> >
+> But not every user is experienced. Remember, we all had to start 
+> somewhere - why not invite new users to start with Mageia? Back in the 
+> day, Mandrake had a reputation of being a good distro for newbies. 
+> That's one of the things Mageia should continue.
+
+With the problem of having experienced people leaving, because "mandrake
+is a distribution for newbie, i am not a newbie, therefor, mandrake is
+not for me". This surely helped debian or fedora to get contributers.
+
+I have too often seen "the distribution work fine, but I wanted to try
+something else" ( or various stuff like summarized on
+http://www.greenfly.org/mes.html ), which is to say that the first
+distribution never get the benefit of making people switch to free
+software, which is bad.
+-- 
+Michael Scherer
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[Mageia-discuss] Mageia review with bad experience

+ Michael Scherer + misc at zarb.org +
+ Mon Oct 10 23:31:06 CEST 2011 +

+
+ +
Le lundi 10 octobre 2011 à 17:40 +0200, Romain d'Alverny a écrit :
+> On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 16:34, Frank Griffin <ftg at roadrunner.com> wrote:
+> > The goal should be rather that the user has less or no *need* to look at the
+> > help.  But it needs to be there for safety and comfort.
+> 
+> Yes, that's the point. Making the installer so the user can be
+> confident enough into it and shouldn't have to call for help (then
+> installer "story" would then anticipate potential fears). And still
+> make help available as a last resort.
+
+But the installer can mess the disk. So it has to be scary enough so
+people stop and think about what they do.
+
+That's the principle that were behind drakx explained to me in 2003 at
+Mandrake, and it made sense.
+
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[Mageia-discuss] Mageia review with bad experience

+ Oliver Burger + oliver.bgr at googlemail.com +
+ Mon Oct 10 23:37:18 CEST 2011 +

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+ +
Am Montag, 10. Oktober 2011, 23:29:08 schrieb Michael Scherer:
+> With the problem of having experienced people leaving, because "mandrake
+> is a distribution for newbie, i am not a newbie, therefor, mandrake is
+> not for me". This surely helped debian or fedora to get contributers.
+> 
+Yes, that's why I always pressed at the linux events I was present, that in 
+the past Mandrake/Mandriva and now Mageia is a distribution, that makes it 
+easy for newbies to start, but isn't holding back anything for experienced 
+users.
+Other than yast did in the past and still does in parts, the draktools don't 
+overwrite any configuration but parses it correctly.
+
+We have to make it clear, that we do care about newbies but we don't "lay any 
+stones in the way" of experienced users.
+After all, if we did, most of us wouldn't use it, would we?
+
+Oliver
+
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[Mageia-discuss] Mageia review with bad experience

+ Oliver Burger + oliver.bgr at googlemail.com +
+ Mon Oct 10 23:39:24 CEST 2011 +

+
+ +
Am Montag, 10. Oktober 2011, 23:31:06 schrieb Michael Scherer:
+> Le lundi 10 octobre 2011 à 17:40 +0200, Romain d'Alverny a écrit :
+> > On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 16:34, Frank Griffin <ftg at roadrunner.com> wrote:
+> > > The goal should be rather that the user has less or no *need* to
+> > > look at the help.  But it needs to be there for safety and comfort.
+> > 
+> > Yes, that's the point. Making the installer so the user can be
+> > confident enough into it and shouldn't have to call for help (then
+> > installer "story" would then anticipate potential fears). And still
+> > make help available as a last resort.
+> 
+> But the installer can mess the disk. So it has to be scary enough so
+> people stop and think about what they do.
+> 
+> That's the principle that were behind drakx explained to me in 2003 at
+> Mandrake, and it made sense.
+And it still does.
+People are reading pages over pages of documentation on their nes washing 
+machines, but expect not to have to do any reading on a complex thing like a 
+computer and an operating system.
+That's one of the main problems nowadays..
+
+Oliver
+
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