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[Mageia-discuss] Habemus logo

+ Vinet Raphaël + superaphke at gmail.com +
+ Sat Dec 11 06:06:12 CET 2010 +

+
+ +
Le vendredi 10 décembre 2010 19:58:11 José Alberto Valle Cid, vous avez écrit 
+:
+> On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 5:37 AM, Romain d'Alverny <rdalverny at gmail.com> 
+wrote:
+> > It's not even a question of tool here. The decision process was
+> > presented, explained ahead of it to happen, several times, here, on
+> > the wiki page, and no serious objection was raised about it. The way
+> > this decision happened, for that matter, from the founding board,
+> > having read, checked and reflected upon the feedback from the
+> > community, is legitimate. Questioning this after the game is...
+> > curious.
+> 
+> This is some strange to me, and i have to accept i mistake when i did
+> not do my part "complaint" about it before.
+> 
+> > We will improve and use the voting platform for further decisions, but
+> > there will be decisions that will be taken only from the board, or
+> > from the council or from all team members, depending on the
+> > context/decision; but not from anyone just passing by.
+> 
+> Well i understand that will exist decisions that only board can do,
+> but really the logo is one of that decisions ?, i am not sure about
+> that.
+Hello,
+
+
+The process was clear directly at the begining, nothing hidden (on mageia's 
+blog), a decision is made so from the board and all we know that is impossible 
+to have 100% opinion pro of such subjective subject. If you have > 50% you can 
+feel happy :-)
+
+Turn the page for this and let's go forward now :-)
+
+A+
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[Mageia-discuss] help from kde forums

+ Maarten Vanraes + maarten.vanraes at gmail.com +
+ Sat Dec 11 11:24:51 CET 2010 +

+
+ +
Op vrijdag 10 december 2010 23:02:02 schreef Ahmad Samir:
+> On 19 September 2010 17:54, Jerome Quelin <jquelin at gmail.com> wrote:
+> > hi,
+> > 
+> > here's a mail that i received from anne wilson, of kde's fame:
+> > 
+> > ----- Forwarded message from Anne Wilson <annew at kde.org> -----
+> > 
+> >> Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 18:57:14 +0100
+> >> From: Anne Wilson <annew at kde.org>
+> >> To: jquelin at gmail.com
+> >> Subject: Mageia
+> >> User-Agent: KMail/1.13.5 (Linux/2.6.34.4-0.1-default; KDE/4.5.1; i686; ;
+> >> )
+> >> 
+> >> I'm no longer subscribed to the Mandriva mailing lists, but a friend
+> >> forwards interesting messages to me.  Two of my family still run
+> >> Mandriva (I maintain their systems) and I hope to have another convert
+> >> soon.  The recent news about Mandriva has been a blow to me.  I cut my
+> >> Linux teeth on Mandrake 8.x.  When the call for members to invest, I
+> >> was there.  I was one of the original club members.  It felt like the
+> >> end of a long story, for me.
+> >> 
+> >> So, to the reason for this email.  I see you have got your IRC channels
+> >> set up.  Consider having a forum on forum.kde.org - the admins are
+> >> helpful and welcoming.  I'm the de facto maintainer of content on
+> >> UserBase (see my sig), so ping me when ever you want Mageia specifics
+> >> mentioning there.
+> >> 
+> >> Good luck to you all.  I'll be watching.
+> >> 
+> >> Anne
+> >> --
+> >> KDE Community Working Group
+> >> New to KDE Software? - get help from http://userbase.kde.org
+> > 
+> > ----- End forwarded message -----
+> > 
+> > so, for our forum overlords in here - this may be interesting to take
+> > that into account.
+> > 
+> > jérôme
+> > --
+> > jquelin at gmail.com
+> 
+> I guess a sub-forum for a KDE app might fit in forum.kde.org; but not
+> for a full fledged distro...
+> 
+> The forum of a distro will get posts about all sorts of software
+> (other DE's, kernel, hardware, drakxtools... etc), not just
+> kde-related problems. So I don't think sub-forum in forum.kde.org will
+> do it for a distro (just my humble 0.02€ worth).
+
+i donno, it might be yet another mageia (sub-)community.
+
+and possibly also a way to gather more users/testers during alpha testing.
+
+ + + + +
+

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[Mageia-discuss] Habemus logo

+ Ahmad Samir + ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com +
+ Sat Dec 11 11:28:02 CET 2010 +

+
+ +
On 10 December 2010 20:51, José Alberto Valle Cid
+<j.alberto.vc at gmail.com> wrote:
+> On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 5:16 AM, Ahmad Samir <ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com> wrote:
+>>> But i think a tread in mailing list or even a dedicated mailing list
+>>> for receive votes for logos was fit very well as poll tool :)
+>>
+>> There's already a dedicated app for that, Epoll.
+>
+> But was restringed use for board members, the actual mandriva call for
+> backgrounds look better way to do things (users only have to mark as
+> favorite the backgrounds and the most marked will be chosen)
+>
+
+The wallpapers you're talking about were packaged in contrib, i.e.
+they weren't the official wallpapers in the distro at all. While here
+we're talking about an official logo for Mageia.
+
+Also, what I said still stands, don't only complain _after_ the fact;
+the whole process was laid out clearly well before the final decision
+was made, anyone who had objections should have spoke up before that
+IMHO.
+
+-- 
+Ahmad Samir
+
+ + + + + + + + +
+

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[Mageia-discuss] Habemus logo

+ Ahmad Samir + ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com +
+ Sat Dec 11 11:31:33 CET 2010 +

+
+ +
On 10 December 2010 22:03, José Alberto Valle Cid
+<j.alberto.vc at gmail.com> wrote:
+> On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 1:39 PM, Diego Bello <dbello at gmail.com> wrote:
+>
+>> A wallpaper is aomething that won't represent a distro, it will only
+>> make it pretier. A logo is something that will represent the distro,
+>> so, for me, it is totally understandable that the board members chose
+>> the one.
+>>
+>> A logo will never please everybody because every person has his or her
+>> own opinions and preferences.
+>>
+>
+> Of course, but the distribution need to be something that all
+> community feel their own, so i think the logo is not a decision only
+> for the board, in more democratic process will see less "complaints"
+> (at less not mines ;) )
+>
+
+(Well, no, whatever logo was chosen and even if every single member in
+the founders and community voted, there would still have been
+complaints, that's a fact of life; you can't ever please everyone at
+any given point in time... :)).
+
+-- 
+Ahmad Samir
+
+ + + + + + + + +
+

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[Mageia-discuss] help from kde forums

+ Ahmad Samir + ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com +
+ Sat Dec 11 11:42:25 CET 2010 +

+
+ +
On 11 December 2010 12:24, Maarten Vanraes <maarten.vanraes at gmail.com> wrote:
+> Op vrijdag 10 december 2010 23:02:02 schreef Ahmad Samir:
+>> On 19 September 2010 17:54, Jerome Quelin <jquelin at gmail.com> wrote:
+>> > hi,
+>> >
+>> > here's a mail that i received from anne wilson, of kde's fame:
+>> >
+>> > ----- Forwarded message from Anne Wilson <annew at kde.org> -----
+>> >
+>> >> Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 18:57:14 +0100
+>> >> From: Anne Wilson <annew at kde.org>
+>> >> To: jquelin at gmail.com
+>> >> Subject: Mageia
+>> >> User-Agent: KMail/1.13.5 (Linux/2.6.34.4-0.1-default; KDE/4.5.1; i686; ;
+>> >> )
+>> >>
+>> >> I'm no longer subscribed to the Mandriva mailing lists, but a friend
+>> >> forwards interesting messages to me.  Two of my family still run
+>> >> Mandriva (I maintain their systems) and I hope to have another convert
+>> >> soon.  The recent news about Mandriva has been a blow to me.  I cut my
+>> >> Linux teeth on Mandrake 8.x.  When the call for members to invest, I
+>> >> was there.  I was one of the original club members.  It felt like the
+>> >> end of a long story, for me.
+>> >>
+>> >> So, to the reason for this email.  I see you have got your IRC channels
+>> >> set up.  Consider having a forum on forum.kde.org - the admins are
+>> >> helpful and welcoming.  I'm the de facto maintainer of content on
+>> >> UserBase (see my sig), so ping me when ever you want Mageia specifics
+>> >> mentioning there.
+>> >>
+>> >> Good luck to you all.  I'll be watching.
+>> >>
+>> >> Anne
+>> >> --
+>> >> KDE Community Working Group
+>> >> New to KDE Software? - get help from http://userbase.kde.org
+>> >
+>> > ----- End forwarded message -----
+>> >
+>> > so, for our forum overlords in here - this may be interesting to take
+>> > that into account.
+>> >
+>> > jérôme
+>> > --
+>> > jquelin at gmail.com
+>>
+>> I guess a sub-forum for a KDE app might fit in forum.kde.org; but not
+>> for a full fledged distro...
+>>
+>> The forum of a distro will get posts about all sorts of software
+>> (other DE's, kernel, hardware, drakxtools... etc), not just
+>> kde-related problems. So I don't think sub-forum in forum.kde.org will
+>> do it for a distro (just my humble 0.02€ worth).
+>
+> i donno, it might be yet another mageia (sub-)community.
+>
+> and possibly also a way to gather more users/testers during alpha testing.
+>
+
+Having a sub- community isn't necessarily a good thing; it should be
+done only when needed, e.g. the localised forums (MLO, MUD... etc).
+But for the English-speaking community one official forum should do,
+(this is my own opinion, anyway).
+
+-- 
+Ahmad Samir
+
+ + + +
+

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[Mageia-discuss] Habemus logo

+ Wolfgang Bornath + molch.b at googlemail.com +
+ Sat Dec 11 11:51:10 CET 2010 +

+
+ +
I want to point to skiper's blog, who gave the whole "Logo" issue some
+thought. It is titled, "Mageia logo - I don't like it".
+
+But what he writes is very different from the usual "I don't like it,
+it's ugly" posts. I explains in detail why he does not like it and why
+he thinks it is not a good choice based on objective reasons. Although
+I do not share his opinion I want to give credit to him because he did
+not just complain, he put some thinking and time into explaining his
+opinion.
+
+BTW: He explicitely states that he does not complain about the
+decision finding process.
+
+ http://skiperdrake.wordpress.com/2010/12/11/mageia-logo-i-am-not-happy-with-it/
+
+Good reading, even if it is not my opinion :)
+
+ + + + + + + +
+

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[Mageia-discuss] help from kde forums

+ Morgan Leijström + fri at tribun.eu +
+ Sat Dec 11 11:53:36 CET 2010 +

+
+ +
Den 2010-12-11 11:42:25 skrev Ahmad Samir:
+
+> >> I guess a sub-forum for a KDE app might fit in forum.kde.org; but not
+> >> for a full fledged distro...
+> >>
+> >> The forum of a distro will get posts about all sorts of software
+> >> (other DE's, kernel, hardware, drakxtools... etc), not just
+> >> kde-related problems. So I don't think sub-forum in forum.kde.org will
+> >> do it for a distro (just my humble 0.02€ worth).
+> >
+> > i donno, it might be yet another mageia (sub-)community.
+> >
+> > and possibly also a way to gather more users/testers during alpha
+> > testing.
+>
+> Having a sub- community isn't necessarily a good thing; it should be
+> done only when needed, e.g. the localised forums (MLO, MUD... etc).
+> But for the English-speaking community one official forum should do,
+> (this is my own opinion, anyway).
+
+I agree to that, absolutely. - Basically...
+
+However it might be an idea to have KDE-only related discussions on a 
+sub-forum at KDE.
+
+If so it should be clearly stated on Mageia main forum that KDE related 
+questions should be postet there, and link to there.
+
+(and a sticky post a KDE sub forum sould tell users to post oter questions @ 
+Mageia, link)
+
+Having such sub forum @ KDE gives:
+
+1) Mageia users more easily get to read tips, workarounds whatever regarding 
+KDE
+
+2) Mageia get a bit more visibility, hopefully attracting users and maybe 
+developers.
+
+
+ + + +
+

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[Mageia-discuss] help from kde forums

+ Wolfgang Bornath + molch.b at googlemail.com +
+ Sat Dec 11 12:22:58 CET 2010 +

+
+ +
2010/12/11 Ahmad Samir <ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com>:
+>
+> Having a sub- community isn't necessarily a good thing; it should be
+> done only when needed, e.g. the localised forums (MLO, MUD... etc).
+> But for the English-speaking community one official forum should do,
+> (this is my own opinion, anyway).
+
+Sorry, but I have to quote this as an example of "sub-community at its best":
+
+This is the entry to the announcement of the english speaking
+mageiausers.org forum, founded by the maintainer of mandrivausers.org:
+http://www.mageiausers.org/discussion/8/about-mageia-users/#Item_1
+
+"From the founders of other Linux support success stories such as
+MandrivaUsers.org, comes Mageia users; the largest english speaking
+Mageia Linux support forum in the world. "
+
+:)
+
+-- 
+wobo
+
+ + + +
+

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[Mageia-discuss] Habemus logo

+ andre999 + andr55 at laposte.net +
+ Sat Dec 11 14:34:30 CET 2010 +

+
+ +
Wolfgang Bornath a écrit :
+>
+> I want to point to skiper's blog, who gave the whole "Logo" issue some
+> thought. It is titled, "Mageia logo - I don't like it".
+>
+> But what he writes is very different from the usual "I don't like it,
+> it's ugly" posts. I explains in detail why he does not like it and why
+> he thinks it is not a good choice based on objective reasons. Although
+> I do not share his opinion I want to give credit to him because he did
+> not just complain, he put some thinking and time into explaining his
+> opinion.
+>
+> BTW: He explicitely states that he does not complain about the
+> decision finding process.
+>
+>   http://skiperdrake.wordpress.com/2010/12/11/mageia-logo-i-am-not-happy-with-it/
+>
+> Good reading, even if it is not my opinion :)
+
+Interesting that he makes exactly the same criticism that I made during 
+the selection process : the logo is too simple.
+Anyway, it is done.
+
+( But his criticism did make me think that we could turn it into a nest, 
+with a colourful simply drawn bird in it.  But I'm getting carried away 
+... again )
+
+ + + + + +
+

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[Mageia-discuss] Habemus logo

+ Giuseppe Ghibò + ghibomgx at gmail.com +
+ Sat Dec 11 15:42:09 CET 2010 +

+
+ +
Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
+> I want to point to skiper's blog, who gave the whole "Logo" issue some
+> thought. It is titled, "Mageia logo - I don't like it".
+>
+> But what he writes is very different from the usual "I don't like it,
+> it's ugly" posts. I explains in detail why he does not like it and why
+> he thinks it is not a good choice based on objective reasons. Although
+> I do not share his opinion I want to give credit to him because he did
+> not just complain, he put some thinking and time into explaining his
+> opinion.
+>
+> BTW: He explicitely states that he does not complain about the
+> decision finding process.
+>
+>  http://skiperdrake.wordpress.com/2010/12/11/mageia-logo-i-am-not-happy-with-it/
+>
+> Good reading, even if it is not my opinion :)
+>   
+
+Yep, good reading, but IMHO a logo it's just a logo, though I had 
+preferred it to be more refined or cool too. But I think there is room 
+for 3D improvements maybe. At the first sight such logo appeared to me 
+as a "fish". Regarding the comments, the logo is something which should 
+immediately represent a product or a brand (even if you don't attach a 
+script), that's because called logo. The compass based logo sound cool, 
+but IMHO it represent at first sight a well painted compass.
+
+Anyway once you see the logo several times at once you'll soon identify 
+it with the product. IMHO this is the power of a logo. A good experiment 
+could be: take all the distro logo (e.g. from distrowatch) in random 
+order then try to identify to which brand they own...
+
+Bye
+Giuseppe.
+
+
+ + + + + + +
+

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[Mageia-discuss] help from kde forums

+ Maarten Vanraes + maarten.vanraes at gmail.com +
+ Sat Dec 11 15:52:16 CET 2010 +

+
+ +
Op zaterdag 11 december 2010 11:42:25 schreef Ahmad Samir:
+> On 11 December 2010 12:24, Maarten Vanraes <maarten.vanraes at gmail.com> 
+wrote:
+> > Op vrijdag 10 december 2010 23:02:02 schreef Ahmad Samir:
+> >> On 19 September 2010 17:54, Jerome Quelin <jquelin at gmail.com> wrote:
+> >> > hi,
+> >> > 
+> >> > here's a mail that i received from anne wilson, of kde's fame:
+> >> > 
+> >> > ----- Forwarded message from Anne Wilson <annew at kde.org> -----
+> >> > 
+> >> >> Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 18:57:14 +0100
+> >> >> From: Anne Wilson <annew at kde.org>
+> >> >> To: jquelin at gmail.com
+> >> >> Subject: Mageia
+> >> >> User-Agent: KMail/1.13.5 (Linux/2.6.34.4-0.1-default; KDE/4.5.1;
+> >> >> i686; ; )
+> >> >> 
+> >> >> I'm no longer subscribed to the Mandriva mailing lists, but a friend
+> >> >> forwards interesting messages to me.  Two of my family still run
+> >> >> Mandriva (I maintain their systems) and I hope to have another
+> >> >> convert soon.  The recent news about Mandriva has been a blow to me.
+> >> >>  I cut my Linux teeth on Mandrake 8.x.  When the call for members to
+> >> >> invest, I was there.  I was one of the original club members.  It
+> >> >> felt like the end of a long story, for me.
+> >> >> 
+> >> >> So, to the reason for this email.  I see you have got your IRC
+> >> >> channels set up.  Consider having a forum on forum.kde.org - the
+> >> >> admins are helpful and welcoming.  I'm the de facto maintainer of
+> >> >> content on UserBase (see my sig), so ping me when ever you want
+> >> >> Mageia specifics mentioning there.
+> >> >> 
+> >> >> Good luck to you all.  I'll be watching.
+> >> >> 
+> >> >> Anne
+> >> >> --
+> >> >> KDE Community Working Group
+> >> >> New to KDE Software? - get help from http://userbase.kde.org
+> >> > 
+> >> > ----- End forwarded message -----
+> >> > 
+> >> > so, for our forum overlords in here - this may be interesting to take
+> >> > that into account.
+> >> > 
+> >> > jérôme
+> >> > --
+> >> > jquelin at gmail.com
+> >> 
+> >> I guess a sub-forum for a KDE app might fit in forum.kde.org; but not
+> >> for a full fledged distro...
+> >> 
+> >> The forum of a distro will get posts about all sorts of software
+> >> (other DE's, kernel, hardware, drakxtools... etc), not just
+> >> kde-related problems. So I don't think sub-forum in forum.kde.org will
+> >> do it for a distro (just my humble 0.02€ worth).
+> > 
+> > i donno, it might be yet another mageia (sub-)community.
+> > 
+> > and possibly also a way to gather more users/testers during alpha
+> > testing.
+> 
+> Having a sub- community isn't necessarily a good thing; it should be
+> done only when needed, e.g. the localised forums (MLO, MUD... etc).
+> But for the English-speaking community one official forum should do,
+> (this is my own opinion, anyway).
+
+
+the problem with sub-communities (even i18n) is that you need someone who 
+wants to manage is and be a bridge between mageia and the sub-community.
+
+I do agree that it seems like it'd be easier if there is only 1 item / 
+division; but if all the sub-communities are managed well and have good 
+connections to it's parent; then i see no problem.
+
+one could argue that someone who is bridging; could also be doing other 
+usefull stuff.
+
+otoh, if that KDE person wants to be the bridge, and she can handle it, she 
+can do it, imho.
+
+if it's "official" or not... well that's another question ...
+
+ + +
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+ MacXi + terraagua at gmail.com +
+ Sat Dec 11 17:43:43 CET 2010 +

+
+ +
Em Sábado 11 Dezembro 2010, às 08:51:10, Wolfgang Bornath escreveu:
+> I want to point to skiper's blog, who gave the whole "Logo" issue some
+> thought. It is titled, "Mageia logo - I don't like it".
+> 
+> But what he writes is very different from the usual "I don't like it,
+> it's ugly" posts. I explains in detail why he does not like it and why
+> he thinks it is not a good choice based on objective reasons. Although
+> I do not share his opinion I want to give credit to him because he did
+> not just complain, he put some thinking and time into explaining his
+> opinion.
+> 
+> BTW: He explicitely states that he does not complain about the
+> decision finding process.
+> 
+>  http://skiperdrake.wordpress.com/2010/12/11/mageia-logo-i-am-not-happy-wit
+> h-it/
+> 
+> Good reading, even if it is not my opinion :)
+
+
+
+Guys,
+
+
+Obs: excuse my poor english, with the help (and the errors) of the tool-google
+languages.
+
+
+I think the logo Mageia is great.
+
+Many years ago I was impressed with the millions of dollars spent by
+Sony to make its logo, which resulted in nothing more than its simple name.. 
+Was a surprise to me, so much money for just that. Now I understand that
+simplicity of the logo can be a great advantage.
+
+And I think that's not right to compare the new and raw mageia logo with the 
+logos already mature and polished after years of work and very money from big 
+companies.
+
+The Mageia Linux community formed by volunteers and not by a company, I don't 
+see reason to change the logo or make another selection process. I think this 
+is a waste of time and effort (and ignores the work already done) and does not 
+educate,  because, in my opinion, the selection process was transparent and 
+democratic and the outcome was appropriate.
+
+So, congratulations to the team by Mageia overcome all these steps
+organization of infrastructure and logo - which in my view is excellent -
+Now, come to what is really essential: continue to organize everything 
+necessary to launch the alpha version of the Linux distribution mageia.
+
+Hugs.
+
+
+
+***************************************
+
+
+Pessoal, 
+
+Obs: desculpem meu inglês fraco, com a ajuda (e os erros) da ferramenta 
+google- idiomas
+
+Acho que a logomarca da Mageia está ótima. 
+
+Muitos anos atrás fiquei impressionado com os milhões de dólares gastos pela 
+Sony para fazer sua logomarca, que resultou em nada mais que seu nome simples. 
+Foi uma surpresa para mim, tanto dinheiro para só aquilo. Hoje entendo que a 
+simplicidade do logo pode ser uma grande vantagem. 
+
+E acho que não está certo comparar a nova e crua logomarca da Mageia  com os 
+logos já lapidados e maduros após anos de trabalho e muito dinheiro de grandes 
+empresas. 
+
+A comunidade Mageia linux é formada por voluntários e não por uma 
+empresa. Não vejo motivo para trocar o logo ou fazer outro processo de 
+escolha. Acho isso um desperdício de tempo e trabalho (e desconsidera o 
+trabalho já feito) e não educa pois, na minha opinião, o processo de escolha 
+foi democrático e transparente e o resultado foi adequado. 
+
+Por isso, parabéns para a equipe Mageia por superar todas essas etapas de 
+organização da infraestrutura e do logo - que no meu entender está excelente -  
+Agora, vamos ao que realmente é essencial: continuar a organizar tudo que for 
+necessário  para o lançamento da versão alfa da distribuição Mageia  Linux. 
+
+Abraços.
+
+ + + + + + + + + +
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+ Daniel Kreuter + daniel.kreuter85 at googlemail.com +
+ Sat Dec 11 17:25:16 CET 2010 +

+
+ +
On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 11:51 AM, Wolfgang Bornath
+<molch.b at googlemail.com>wrote:
+
+> I want to point to skiper's blog, who gave the whole "Logo" issue some
+> thought. It is titled, "Mageia logo - I don't like it".
+>
+> But what he writes is very different from the usual "I don't like it,
+> it's ugly" posts. I explains in detail why he does not like it and why
+> he thinks it is not a good choice based on objective reasons. Although
+> I do not share his opinion I want to give credit to him because he did
+> not just complain, he put some thinking and time into explaining his
+> opinion.
+>
+> BTW: He explicitely states that he does not complain about the
+> decision finding process.
+>
+>
+> http://skiperdrake.wordpress.com/2010/12/11/mageia-logo-i-am-not-happy-with-it/
+>
+> Good reading, even if it is not my opinion :)
+>
+
+Reading his opinion raised one question for me, what is the meaning of
+Mandriva's star? On first sight I don't see one.
+
+-- 
+Mit freundlichen Grüßen
+
+Greetings
+
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+ Wolfgang Bornath + molch.b at googlemail.com +
+ Sat Dec 11 17:32:34 CET 2010 +

+
+ +
2010/12/11 Daniel Kreuter <daniel.kreuter85 at googlemail.com>:
+>
+> Reading his opinion raised one question for me, what is the meaning of
+> Mandriva's star? On first sight I don't see one.
+
+I don't know, I do not see "Mandriva star" mentioned in his article.
+
+-- 
+wobo
+
+ + + + +
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+ José Alberto Valle Cid + j.alberto.vc at gmail.com +
+ Sat Dec 11 17:50:07 CET 2010 +

+
+ +
On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 4:28 AM, Ahmad Samir <ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com>
+> Also, what I said still stands, don't only complain _after_ the fact;
+> the whole process was laid out clearly well before the final decision
+> was made, anyone who had objections should have spoke up before that
+> IMHO.
+
+For the process side is not sense to "complaint" (i always mention
+complaint between " because i really not "complaint" only try to
+highlight something than don't like me), but as long some people
+recognize the process was not perfect, highlight  aspects what
+consider bad in the process maybe will help to future similar process
+not fall in same holes :)
+
+ + +
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+ Daniel Kreuter + daniel.kreuter85 at googlemail.com +
+ Sat Dec 11 17:50:31 CET 2010 +

+
+ +
On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 5:32 PM, Wolfgang Bornath <molch.b at googlemail.com>wrote:
+
+> 2010/12/11 Daniel Kreuter <daniel.kreuter85 at googlemail.com>:
+> >
+> > Reading his opinion raised one question for me, what is the meaning of
+> > Mandriva's star? On first sight I don't see one.
+>
+> I don't know, I do not see "Mandriva star" mentioned in his article.
+>
+> --
+> wobo
+>
+That's correct. But he mentioned that he didn't find a meaning in our Logo
+so I thought about the star I see here in Mandriva and if I'm able to find a
+meaning in it. But I didn't find one.
+He only brought up examples of Logos where you're able to see a meaning like
+the one in Windows, as he tried to explain in his post.
+
+
+-- 
+Mit freundlichen Grüßen
+
+Greetings
+
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+ José Alberto Valle Cid + j.alberto.vc at gmail.com +
+ Sat Dec 11 17:51:26 CET 2010 +

+
+ +
On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 4:31 AM, Ahmad Samir <ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com> wrote:
+> (Well, no, whatever logo was chosen and even if every single member in
+> the founders and community voted, there would still have been
+> complaints, that's a fact of life; you can't ever please everyone at
+> any given point in time... :)).
+
+Sure  :D
+
+ + + + +
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+ Marek Laane + bald at smail.ee +
+ Sat Dec 11 17:57:20 CET 2010 +

+
+ +
2010/12/11 Daniel Kreuter <daniel.kreuter85 at googlemail.com>
+
+>
+>
+> On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 5:32 PM, Wolfgang Bornath <molch.b at googlemail.com>wrote:
+>
+>> 2010/12/11 Daniel Kreuter <daniel.kreuter85 at googlemail.com>:
+>> >
+>> > Reading his opinion raised one question for me, what is the meaning of
+>> > Mandriva's star? On first sight I don't see one.
+>>
+>> I don't know, I do not see "Mandriva star" mentioned in his article.
+>>
+>> --
+>> wobo
+>>
+> That's correct. But he mentioned that he didn't find a meaning in our Logo
+> so I thought about the star I see here in Mandriva and if I'm able to find a
+> meaning in it. But I didn't find one.
+> He only brought up examples of Logos where you're able to see a meaning
+> like the one in Windows, as he tried to explain in his post.
+>
+>
+> Offtopic but wasn't it connected to the magic wand and Mandrake the
+Magician?
+
+
+> --
+> Mit freundlichen Grüßen
+>
+> Greetings
+>
+> Daniel Kreuter
+>
+>
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+ Hoyt Duff + hoytduff at gmail.com +
+ Sat Dec 11 18:22:54 CET 2010 +

+
+ +
On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 11:25 AM, Daniel Kreuter
+<daniel.kreuter85 at googlemail.com> wrote:
+
+>
+> Reading his opinion raised one question for me, what is the meaning of
+> Mandriva's star? On first sight I don't see one.
+>
+
+Mandriva entered the world named "Mandrake", after Mandrake the
+Magician, a syndicated newspaper comic strip. The original logo
+featured a top hat, magic wand and a star.
+
+"Mandrake the Magician" is however protected by copyright, so a name
+change was in order. With the merger of Connective and Mandrake,
+Mandriva was born.
+
+I suppose they kept the star as a link to the Mandrake heritage and
+since the copyright-infringing items were the name, top hat and wand,
+but not the star, keeping the star was OK. The original name survives
+in the drak* tools.
+
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+Hoyt
+
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