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[Mageia-discuss] Mandriva is switching to rpm5, and other news

+ Maarten Vanraes + maarten.vanraes at gmail.com +
+ Fri Dec 3 02:01:15 CET 2010 +

+
+ +
Op donderdag 02 december 2010 23:09:14 schreef Morgan Leijström:
+> ADDING to what i just wrote:
+> > A week or so old news but I saw it now...
+> > 
+> > <http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/2011.0_specs_proposal#Swith_to_rpm5>
+> > <http://ostatic.com/blog/whats-coming-in-mandriva-2011>
+> > <http://proyvind.net/wordpress/?p=71>
+> > 
+> > Citing proyvind from last link:
+> > "...I think we will end up being able to be the awesome alternative in
+> > the forked world, hoping for interest of other distros, actively
+> > inviting their participation and offering to help merge,..."
+> 
+> - i forgot to paste the best part:
+> 
+> "I’m curious about what stance Mageia will take on this though, I’m
+> certainly hoping they will adopt our work and allow for us to help them
+> and contribute back and forth, if not I fear they’ll miss out on several
+> changes in just perl-URPM done recently during rpm5 rewrite, and even more
+> so those planned when rpm5 upgrade situtation settles.."
+> 
+> > There are also other goodies in the middle link i hope we can coopreate
+> > with them on.
+
+well, i'm not adverse to cooperation, but RPM5 is in my opinion FAR too 
+unstable to be used for use on our first release.
+
+I would say, let mandriva find the bugs first and let it give rpm5 a testrun 
+with their users; by the time we hit our second release, we will have a for 
+sure stable version of it.
+
+ + + +
+

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[Mageia-discuss] Mandriva is switching to rpm5, and other news

+ andre999 + andr55 at laposte.net +
+ Fri Dec 3 10:21:38 CET 2010 +

+
+ +
Maarten Vanraes a écrit :
+>
+> Op donderdag 02 december 2010 23:09:14 schreef Morgan Leijström:
+>> ADDING to what i just wrote:
+>>> A week or so old news but I saw it now...
+>>>
+>>> <http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/2011.0_specs_proposal#Swith_to_rpm5>
+>>> <http://ostatic.com/blog/whats-coming-in-mandriva-2011>
+>>> <http://proyvind.net/wordpress/?p=71>
+>>>
+>>> Citing proyvind from last link:
+>>> "...I think we will end up being able to be the awesome alternative in
+>>> the forked world, hoping for interest of other distros, actively
+>>> inviting their participation and offering to help merge,..."
+>>
+>> - i forgot to paste the best part:
+>>
+>> "I’m curious about what stance Mageia will take on this though, I’m
+>> certainly hoping they will adopt our work and allow for us to help them
+>> and contribute back and forth, if not I fear they’ll miss out on several
+>> changes in just perl-URPM done recently during rpm5 rewrite, and even more
+>> so those planned when rpm5 upgrade situtation settles.."
+>>
+>>> There are also other goodies in the middle link i hope we can coopreate
+>>> with them on.
+>
+> well, i'm not adverse to cooperation, but RPM5 is in my opinion FAR too
+> unstable to be used for use on our first release.
+>
+> I would say, let mandriva find the bugs first and let it give rpm5 a testrun
+> with their users; by the time we hit our second release, we will have a for
+> sure stable version of it.
+>
+I've been following RPM5 (and the associated urpm4) on cooker for a 
+while now ...
+All 3 stories come from the person integrating rpm5 into Mandriva - he 
+was recently hired to do just that, with full support of management.
+To me it looks like rpm5 itself won't be the big problem - rather 
+changing the urpmi tools and adapting the build system to work with it.
+Not sure which way Mageia should go at first, but the newer versions of 
+their tools will be based on rpm5.
+It was interesting how cooker wasn't warned of the changes - suddenly 
+many developers were left unable to do any anything, until Per fixed the 
+bugs he created.  And then they learned about the planned switch.
+A perfect example of how NOT to do things :)
+
+It is good that Per is open to cooperation - his experiences will be a 
+big asset when we do follow suit - which I expect we will, sooner or later.
+Maarten, have you taken a close look at it ?
+
+ + + +
+

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[Mageia-discuss] Mandriva is switching to rpm5, and other news

+ Daniel Kreuter + daniel.kreuter85 at googlemail.com +
+ Fri Dec 3 10:32:19 CET 2010 +

+
+ +
On 12/03/2010 10:21 AM, andre999 wrote:
+> Maarten Vanraes a écrit :
+>>
+>> Op donderdag 02 december 2010 23:09:14 schreef Morgan Leijström:
+>>> ADDING to what i just wrote:
+>>>> A week or so old news but I saw it now...
+>>>>
+>>>> <http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/2011.0_specs_proposal#Swith_to_rpm5>
+>>>> <http://ostatic.com/blog/whats-coming-in-mandriva-2011>
+>>>> <http://proyvind.net/wordpress/?p=71>
+>>>>
+>>>> Citing proyvind from last link:
+>>>> "...I think we will end up being able to be the awesome alternative in
+>>>> the forked world, hoping for interest of other distros, actively
+>>>> inviting their participation and offering to help merge,..."
+>>>
+>>> - i forgot to paste the best part:
+>>>
+>>> "I’m curious about what stance Mageia will take on this though, I’m
+>>> certainly hoping they will adopt our work and allow for us to help them
+>>> and contribute back and forth, if not I fear they’ll miss out on 
+>>> several
+>>> changes in just perl-URPM done recently during rpm5 rewrite, and 
+>>> even more
+>>> so those planned when rpm5 upgrade situtation settles.."
+>>>
+>>>> There are also other goodies in the middle link i hope we can 
+>>>> coopreate
+>>>> with them on.
+>>
+>> well, i'm not adverse to cooperation, but RPM5 is in my opinion FAR too
+>> unstable to be used for use on our first release.
+>>
+>> I would say, let mandriva find the bugs first and let it give rpm5 a 
+>> testrun
+>> with their users; by the time we hit our second release, we will have 
+>> a for
+>> sure stable version of it.
+>>
+> I've been following RPM5 (and the associated urpm4) on cooker for a 
+> while now ...
+> All 3 stories come from the person integrating rpm5 into Mandriva - he 
+> was recently hired to do just that, with full support of management.
+> To me it looks like rpm5 itself won't be the big problem - rather 
+> changing the urpmi tools and adapting the build system to work with it.
+> Not sure which way Mageia should go at first, but the newer versions 
+> of their tools will be based on rpm5.
+> It was interesting how cooker wasn't warned of the changes - suddenly 
+> many developers were left unable to do any anything, until Per fixed 
+> the bugs he created.  And then they learned about the planned switch.
+> A perfect example of how NOT to do things :)
+>
+> It is good that Per is open to cooperation - his experiences will be a 
+> big asset when we do follow suit - which I expect we will, sooner or 
+> later.
+> Maarten, have you taken a close look at it ?
+At the start we should use RPM4 because it is proven to be stable.
+
+Let's wait until RPM5 will be stable in Mandriva and after that we can 
+move to RPM5
+
+
+ + + + + +
+

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[Mageia-discuss] Mandriva is switching to rpm5, and other news

+ Thomas Backlund + tmb at iki.fi +
+ Fri Dec 3 10:43:58 CET 2010 +

+
+ +
Maarten Vanraes skrev 3.12.2010 03:01:
+> Op donderdag 02 december 2010 23:09:14 schreef Morgan Leijström:
+>> ADDING to what i just wrote:
+>>> A week or so old news but I saw it now...
+>>>
+>>> <http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/2011.0_specs_proposal#Swith_to_rpm5>
+>>> <http://ostatic.com/blog/whats-coming-in-mandriva-2011>
+>>> <http://proyvind.net/wordpress/?p=71>
+>>>
+>>> Citing proyvind from last link:
+>>> "...I think we will end up being able to be the awesome alternative in
+>>> the forked world, hoping for interest of other distros, actively
+>>> inviting their participation and offering to help merge,..."
+>>
+>> - i forgot to paste the best part:
+>>
+>> "I’m curious about what stance Mageia will take on this though, I’m
+>> certainly hoping they will adopt our work and allow for us to help them
+>> and contribute back and forth, if not I fear they’ll miss out on several
+>> changes in just perl-URPM done recently during rpm5 rewrite, and even more
+>> so those planned when rpm5 upgrade situtation settles.."
+>>
+
+Those perl-URPM changes can always be cherrypicked/ported if decided we 
+need/want them...
+
+>>> There are also other goodies in the middle link i hope we can coopreate
+>>> with them on.
+>
+> well, i'm not adverse to cooperation, but RPM5 is in my opinion FAR too
+> unstable to be used for use on our first release.
+>
+> I would say, let mandriva find the bugs first and let it give rpm5 a testrun
+> with their users; by the time we hit our second release, we will have a for
+> sure stable version of it.
+
+Yeah,
+Current rpm5 breaks even its own db _way_ too easy leaving a mess...
+Let mdv cope with the breakage....
+
+As important package rpm is, we want it rock solid.
+
+Time will tell...
+
+--
+Thomas
+
+ + + + + + +
+

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[Mageia-discuss] Mandriva is switching to rpm5, and other news

+ Ahmad Samir + ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com +
+ Fri Dec 3 11:06:07 CET 2010 +

+
+ +
On 3 December 2010 11:43, Thomas Backlund <tmb at iki.fi> wrote:
+> Maarten Vanraes skrev 3.12.2010 03:01:
+>>
+>> well, i'm not adverse to cooperation, but RPM5 is in my opinion FAR too
+>> unstable to be used for use on our first release.
+>>
+>> I would say, let mandriva find the bugs first and let it give rpm5 a
+>> testrun
+>> with their users; by the time we hit our second release, we will have a
+>> for
+>> sure stable version of it.
+>
+> Yeah,
+> Current rpm5 breaks even its own db _way_ too easy leaving a mess...
+> Let mdv cope with the breakage....
+>
+> As important package rpm is, we want it rock solid.
+>
+> Time will tell...
+>
+> --
+> Thomas
+>
+
+Agreed, even if Mageia switches to rpm5 that shouldn't happen now at
+all; everyone is working on setting up the bases, many other tasks to
+worry about / work on already. :)
+
+-- 
+Ahmad Samir
+
+ + + + + + +
+

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[Mageia-discuss] Mandriva is switching to rpm5, and other news

+ Maarten Vanraes + maarten.vanraes at gmail.com +
+ Fri Dec 3 11:36:57 CET 2010 +

+
+ +
Op vrijdag 03 december 2010 10:21:38 schreef andre999:
+> Maarten Vanraes a écrit :
+> > Op donderdag 02 december 2010 23:09:14 schreef Morgan Leijström:
+> >> ADDING to what i just wrote:
+> >>> A week or so old news but I saw it now...
+> >>> 
+> >>> <http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/2011.0_specs_proposal#Swith_to_rpm5>
+> >>> <http://ostatic.com/blog/whats-coming-in-mandriva-2011>
+> >>> <http://proyvind.net/wordpress/?p=71>
+> >>> 
+> >>> Citing proyvind from last link:
+> >>> "...I think we will end up being able to be the awesome alternative in
+> >>> the forked world, hoping for interest of other distros, actively
+> >>> inviting their participation and offering to help merge,..."
+> >> 
+> >> - i forgot to paste the best part:
+> >> 
+> >> "I’m curious about what stance Mageia will take on this though, I’m
+> >> certainly hoping they will adopt our work and allow for us to help them
+> >> and contribute back and forth, if not I fear they’ll miss out on several
+> >> changes in just perl-URPM done recently during rpm5 rewrite, and even
+> >> more so those planned when rpm5 upgrade situtation settles.."
+> >> 
+> >>> There are also other goodies in the middle link i hope we can coopreate
+> >>> with them on.
+> > 
+> > well, i'm not adverse to cooperation, but RPM5 is in my opinion FAR too
+> > unstable to be used for use on our first release.
+> > 
+> > I would say, let mandriva find the bugs first and let it give rpm5 a
+> > testrun with their users; by the time we hit our second release, we will
+> > have a for sure stable version of it.
+> 
+> I've been following RPM5 (and the associated urpm4) on cooker for a
+> while now ...
+> All 3 stories come from the person integrating rpm5 into Mandriva - he
+> was recently hired to do just that, with full support of management.
+> To me it looks like rpm5 itself won't be the big problem - rather
+> changing the urpmi tools and adapting the build system to work with it.
+> Not sure which way Mageia should go at first, but the newer versions of
+> their tools will be based on rpm5.
+> It was interesting how cooker wasn't warned of the changes - suddenly
+> many developers were left unable to do any anything, until Per fixed the
+> bugs he created.  And then they learned about the planned switch.
+> A perfect example of how NOT to do things :)
+
+indeed, noone said anything, but that is how i felt.
+
+The thing is, that cooker testers are a bunch of people who do things in more 
+or less the same way; i fear regular users might do stuff another way.
+
+imo, i think/fear Mandriva will (after they release) have some RPM5 issues 
+that regular users will be impacted of.
+
+I would take the sure road, and keep our working tools at level before the 
+upgrade; and follow up the stuff that happens.
+
+imo, if we don't use rpm5 right now, we lose nothing; i'm sure it'll be an 
+improvement; however, is it necessary at this moment? i think not.
+
+imo the risk outweighs the benefits at this time. especially since we're short 
+on time.
+ 
+> It is good that Per is open to cooperation - his experiences will be a
+> big asset when we do follow suit - which I expect we will, sooner or later.
+> Maarten, have you taken a close look at it ?
+
+I'm had discussions with Per around the time of the forking. however, i (and 
+others) feel that we need to structure ourselves first before going down that 
+route.
+
+I think after the release (and org structure will be stable) we could very 
+well start the talks, imho.
+
+thing to keep in mind is that Mandriva is backed by a company and we by our 
+non-profit organisation, the last thing i would want to do is taint the 
+organisation, so we need to be careful there.
+
+ + + + +
+

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[Mageia-discuss] Mandriva is switching to rpm5, and other news

+ Maarten Vanraes + maarten.vanraes at gmail.com +
+ Fri Dec 3 11:37:59 CET 2010 +

+
+ +
Op vrijdag 03 december 2010 11:06:07 schreef Ahmad Samir:
+> On 3 December 2010 11:43, Thomas Backlund <tmb at iki.fi> wrote:
+> > Maarten Vanraes skrev 3.12.2010 03:01:
+> >> well, i'm not adverse to cooperation, but RPM5 is in my opinion FAR too
+> >> unstable to be used for use on our first release.
+> >> 
+> >> I would say, let mandriva find the bugs first and let it give rpm5 a
+> >> testrun
+> >> with their users; by the time we hit our second release, we will have a
+> >> for
+> >> sure stable version of it.
+> > 
+> > Yeah,
+> > Current rpm5 breaks even its own db _way_ too easy leaving a mess...
+> > Let mdv cope with the breakage....
+> > 
+> > As important package rpm is, we want it rock solid.
+> > 
+> > Time will tell...
+> > 
+> > --
+> > Thomas
+> 
+> Agreed, even if Mageia switches to rpm5 that shouldn't happen now at
+> all; everyone is working on setting up the bases, many other tasks to
+> worry about / work on already. :)
+
+great, i'm glad i'm not the only one who feels this way.
+
+ + + + + +
+

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[Mageia-discuss] Mandriva is switching to rpm5, and other news

+ Mika Laitio + lamikr at pilppa.org +
+ Fri Dec 3 11:58:50 CET 2010 +

+
+ +
> > Agreed, even if Mageia switches to rpm5 that shouldn't happen now at
+> > all; everyone is working on setting up the bases, many other tasks to
+> > worry about / work on already. :)
+> 
+> great, i'm glad i'm not the only one who feels this way.
+
+Related to this, has there been a decision from the identifier used in rpm 
+spec files for checking whether the system that is used is mageia. I think 
+followings are the most common ones used by the distros at the moment:
+
+%if 0%{?suse_version}
+%if 0%{?rhel_version}
+%if 0%{?centos_version}
+%if 0%%{?mdkversion}
+
+So is there already defined "mageia_version" or something else?
+
+Mika
+
+
+
+ + + + + +
+

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[Mageia-discuss] Linux Journal Article

+ Doug Lytle + support at drdos.info +
+ Fri Dec 3 14:43:16 CET 2010 +

+
+ +
+
+http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/mageia-trudging-release
+
+Doug
+
+-- 
+
+Ben Franklin quote:
+
+"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
+
+
+ + + + +
+

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[Mageia-discuss] Mandriva is switching to rpm5, and other news

+ Leandro Dorileo + ldorileo at gmail.com +
+ Fri Dec 3 16:44:03 CET 2010 +

+
+ +
On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 6:32 AM, Daniel Kreuter
+<daniel.kreuter85 at googlemail.com> wrote:
+> On 12/03/2010 10:21 AM, andre999 wrote:
+>>
+>> Maarten Vanraes a écrit :
+>>>
+>>> Op donderdag 02 december 2010 23:09:14 schreef Morgan Leijström:
+>>>>
+>>>> ADDING to what i just wrote:
+>>>>>
+>>>>> A week or so old news but I saw it now...
+>>>>>
+>>>>> <http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/2011.0_specs_proposal#Swith_to_rpm5>
+>>>>> <http://ostatic.com/blog/whats-coming-in-mandriva-2011>
+>>>>> <http://proyvind.net/wordpress/?p=71>
+>>>>>
+>>>>> Citing proyvind from last link:
+>>>>> "...I think we will end up being able to be the awesome alternative in
+>>>>> the forked world, hoping for interest of other distros, actively
+>>>>> inviting their participation and offering to help merge,..."
+>>>>
+>>>> - i forgot to paste the best part:
+>>>>
+>>>> "I’m curious about what stance Mageia will take on this though, I’m
+>>>> certainly hoping they will adopt our work and allow for us to help them
+>>>> and contribute back and forth, if not I fear they’ll miss out on several
+>>>> changes in just perl-URPM done recently during rpm5 rewrite, and even
+>>>> more
+>>>> so those planned when rpm5 upgrade situtation settles.."
+>>>>
+>>>>> There are also other goodies in the middle link i hope we can coopreate
+>>>>> with them on.
+>>>
+>>> well, i'm not adverse to cooperation, but RPM5 is in my opinion FAR too
+>>> unstable to be used for use on our first release.
+>>>
+>>> I would say, let mandriva find the bugs first and let it give rpm5 a
+>>> testrun
+>>> with their users; by the time we hit our second release, we will have a
+>>> for
+>>> sure stable version of it.
+>>>
+>> I've been following RPM5 (and the associated urpm4) on cooker for a while
+>> now ...
+>> All 3 stories come from the person integrating rpm5 into Mandriva - he was
+>> recently hired to do just that, with full support of management.
+>> To me it looks like rpm5 itself won't be the big problem - rather changing
+>> the urpmi tools and adapting the build system to work with it.
+>> Not sure which way Mageia should go at first, but the newer versions of
+>> their tools will be based on rpm5.
+>> It was interesting how cooker wasn't warned of the changes - suddenly many
+>> developers were left unable to do any anything, until Per fixed the bugs he
+>> created.  And then they learned about the planned switch.
+>> A perfect example of how NOT to do things :)
+>>
+>> It is good that Per is open to cooperation - his experiences will be a big
+>> asset when we do follow suit - which I expect we will, sooner or later.
+>> Maarten, have you taken a close look at it ?
+>
+> At the start we should use RPM4 because it is proven to be stable.
+>
+> Let's wait until RPM5 will be stable in Mandriva and after that we can move
+> to RPM5
+>
+
+I do agree and Mageia has already a release roadmap to follow and I
+believe there`s no time left for a rpm5 turn.
+
+
+-- 
+Leandro Dorileo
+
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+I'm glad your not going to try and switch to rpm5 for the 1st release..I'd
+also like to point out that the Mandriva based Unity Linux already uses
+RPM 5.
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