[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions for the ISO

Fri Nov 5 05:15:31 CET 2010

Marc Paré a écrit :
+>
+> Le 2010-11-02 10:04, André Machado a écrit :
+>> Let's not forget that a new ISO each month will require more disk
+>> space on server!
+>>
+>> Differences behind these "Update Packs" and Caldron can be that
+>> MUP will be secure and tested regular updates, and Caldron not,
+>> right? So, if MUP will be adopted, I suggest put ISOs on server
+>> by two months, after this they will be deleted.
+>>
+>> Of curse, if local communities assume this work, disk space will
+>> not be a issue and Mageia will can put in its website a
+>> disclaimer that they're not responsable by that 3rd party ISOS
+>> and recommend official ISOS for production environment.
+>>
+>>
+> Hi André
+>
+> I would find this counter-productive.
+>
+> I am just curious. As I am new to all of this.
+>
+> When I install Mandriva, I download the ISO from the Mandriva site, 
+> then after the install, I go to Google, Google "Easy URPMI" and 
+> install the official repositories and the PLF repositories. I then do 
+> an "update". On Mandriva 2010.1 there are now almost 450 updated that 
+> come through.
+That's because 2010.1 was released in July.  (Some months late.)  
+Mandriva 2011.0 (car model numbering) is to be released soon.
+>
+> Now, do these updates come from Mandriva?
+Yes, except for those coming from PLF.
+BTW, you could have set up the Mandriva official repositories with 
+Rpmdrake instead.  (But not PLF.)
+
+> If yes, are these updates not tested in the same way as the ISO 
+> packages? If yes, would it not be possible to construct and ISO with 
+> the "official updates" already applied? If yes, would it not make 
+> sense that Mandriva stand behind this product with the updates? If 
+> yes, then would the Communities be able to offer these to people as 
+> official ISO's from Mandriva?
+Yes and no.  Security updates are the most tested updates.  Bugfixes are 
+also well tested.  But the ISO packages are well tested together (in 
+cooker), over a longer period of time.  Thus are less likely to have 
+errors relating to interaction with the system.
+There is a reason for this.  If there is something wrong with an update, 
+it can be withdrawn.  It disappears from the repositories.
+However if there is a bug on a release ISO, it stays there until the 
+next release.
+There are bugs on the ISO, which is why security and other bugfix 
+updates are available.
+But in percentage, updates are less reliable.
+And no, it is not a good idea to merge updates into an official ISO and 
+release it as official.
+First of all, it won't be.
+And it won't be as thoroughly tested.
+
+Note that security updates (and bugfixes) are much more urgent to 
+release than fixing problems in cooker, since ordinary user's systems 
+are at risk.  So there is less time to ensure perfection.
+
+And also note that commercial systems, like those of Microsoft, even 
+with all their massive resources, are never bug-free.
+>
+> Note that you could then just replace the "Mandriva" name with the 
+> "Mageia" name.
+>
+> Marc
+
+- André
+
+