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[Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia

+ Dale Huckeby + spock at evansville.net +
+ Tue Sep 28 00:00:05 CEST 2010 +

+
+ +
On Fri, 24 Sep 2010, R James wrote:
+> (Another friendly reminder not to top-post....)
+>
+> So far, this one is my favorite:
+>
+> http://www.flickr.com/photos/54138626@N05/5016045891/in/pool-mageia-art
+>
+> Its simple, elegant and appropriate for all potential users of Mageia.  :o)
+
+This is the first one I've liked since the dark orb with flames coming out the top with
+Mageia Linux out to the right. The design elements, including the font, are individually
+nice and nicely juxtaposed to make the total design. It's simple, elegant, and classy.
+I like it.
+
+Dale Huckeby
+
+ + + + +
+

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[Mageia-discuss] List language

+ Andre Machado + afmachado at dcemail.com +
+ Tue Sep 28 00:04:20 CEST 2010 +

+
+ +
> Dare I offer a suggestion aimed at those listers who speak/write little 
+  English: could it be all right for them to post their best effort in English, 
+  _and_ also post in their native language ?
+
+
+For me, no problems. Let's see what list moderators think.
+
+
+
+
+ + + + + + + + + + + + +
+

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[Mageia-discuss] Help about gmane and broken threads

+ Andre Machado + afmachado at dcemail.com +
+ Tue Sep 28 00:07:51 CEST 2010 +

+
+ +
Hi,
+
+For the good of all, I started to use Gmane, but when I will reply a post, it
+often says that is much quoted text. Is this normal? What are the maximum
+allowed? Can I erase all > signs except the first one?
+
+Sorry for anything,
+
+André
+
+
+ + + + + + + + + + + + + +
+

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[Mageia-discuss] Mageia with Synaptic

+ Andre Machado + afmachado at dcemail.com +
+ Tue Sep 28 00:24:05 CEST 2010 +

+
+ +
> Not sure if I get what this thread is about. APT and Synaptic are in 
+> Mandriva repos. 
+
+Wait, can apt-get and Synaptic be installed in Mandriva and be used without none
+extra configuration?
+
+If this is true, let's both, and the user chooses the one he sees fit.
+
+Reguards,
+
+André Machado
+
+
+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
+

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[Mageia-discuss] Donations page translated to Spanish

+ Maât + maat-ml at vilarem.net +
+ Tue Sep 28 00:37:54 CEST 2010 +

+
+ +
Le 27/09/2010 16:16, Juan Carlos de la Cruz a écrit :
+> 2010/9/27 Anne nicolas <ennael1 at gmail.com <mailto:ennael1 at gmail.com>>
+>
+>     2010/9/27 Juan Carlos de la Cruz <pcboltzmann at gmail.com
+>     <mailto:pcboltzmann at gmail.com>>:
+>     > Hi!
+>     >
+>     > I've observed that the Mageia project's donations page
+>     > (http://donation.mageia.org/) has currently been translated to
+>     most of the
+>     > languages. However it is not available in Spanish yet.
+>     >
+>     > Would you be interested in my translation to Spanish language?
+>     If you are
+>     > so, how could I send it? Would it be OK to email it to this ML as an
+>     > attached html file? contribution
+>
+>     It's ok. Thanks for you
+>
+>
+> Here you are!
+>
+>
+>     --
+>     -------
+>     Anne
+>
+Hi,
+
+Thank you very much !
+
+It's online:  http://donate.mageia.org/es/
+
+Could you please check that the page is ok please ?
+
+Cheers,
+
+Maât
+
+
+
+
+
+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
+

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[Mageia-discuss] Mageia with Synaptic

+ Michael Scherer + misc at zarb.org +
+ Tue Sep 28 01:16:50 CEST 2010 +

+
+ +
Le lundi 27 septembre 2010 à 22:24 +0000, Andre Machado a écrit :
+> > Not sure if I get what this thread is about. APT and Synaptic are in 
+> > Mandriva repos. 
+> 
+> Wait, can apt-get and Synaptic be installed in Mandriva and be used without none
+> extra configuration?
+
+It uses to be working to the price aof a big patch.
+Now, it doesn't compiles, and according to 
+
+http://lists.laiskiainen.org/pipermail/apt-rpm-laiskiainen.org/2010-May/000914.html
+
+this would requires to rediff apt-rpm on git HEAD, and update the
+patch. However, according the mail I linked, apt-rpm is unmaintained.
+
+So I personally would not invest much time in it. 
+
+It was a nightmare 5 years ago when I maintained the rpm, I doubt this
+changed much.
+
+And so, since synaptic requires apt-rpm, if the second one is broken,
+the first one would also break.
+
+-- 
+Michael Scherer
+
+
+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
+

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[Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia

+ Hoyt Duff + hoytduff at gmail.com +
+ Tue Sep 28 01:46:34 CEST 2010 +

+
+ +
On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 6:00 PM, Dale Huckeby <spock at evansville.net> wrote:
+
+>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/54138626@N05/5016045891/in/pool-mageia-art
+>>
+>> Its simple, elegant and appropriate for all potential users of Mageia.
+>>  :o)
+
+>
+> Dale Huckeby
+>
+
+Crescent moon-like symbol might be mis-interpreted as a religious
+symbol. The conspiracy crazies might generate much publicity for
+Mageia.
+
+-- 
+Hoyt Duff
+
+ + + +
+

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[Mageia-discuss] Comments on Ignacio's logo

+ Hoyt Duff + hoytduff at gmail.com +
+ Tue Sep 28 01:47:51 CEST 2010 +

+
+ +
On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 4:17 PM, Erwan Velu <erwanaliasr1 at gmail.com> wrote:
+
+>
+> The only point I have regarding this logo is the font that looks like too
+> much medieval from my taste.
+>
+
+I would suggest a simpler, more modern appearing font.
+
+
+
+-- 
+Hoyt
+
+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
+

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[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name "mageia"?

+ Hoyt Duff + hoytduff at gmail.com +
+ Tue Sep 28 01:55:12 CEST 2010 +

+
+ +
On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 3:05 PM, Florian Hubold <doktor5000 at arcor.de> wrote:
+>  Am 23.09.2010 14:33, schrieb Wolfgang Bornath:
+>>
+>> Yes, of course, I was in generalising mode (many US Americans seem to
+>> think that all Germans run around in Lederhosen, drinking beer and
+>> eating Sauerkraut, listening to Blaskapelle and singing about
+>> Gemütlichkeit).
+>
+
+Those I see on TV are drinking beer. But most Germans I see on US TV
+are beer-drinking sausage-eating WW!!-vintage soldiers with British
+accents, so reality is not heavily involved in any perception.
+
+
+-- 
+Hoyt
+
+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
+

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[Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia

+ Tomasz Paweł Gajc + phenomenal at wp.pl +
+ Tue Sep 28 02:04:09 CEST 2010 +

+
+ +
Dnia 2010-09-27, o godz. 19:46:34
+Hoyt Duff <hoytduff at gmail.com> napisał(a):
+
+> On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 6:00 PM, Dale Huckeby <spock at evansville.net>
+> wrote:
+> 
+> >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/54138626@N05/5016045891/in/pool-mageia-art
+> >>
+> >> Its simple, elegant and appropriate for all potential users of
+> >> Mageia. :o)
+> 
+> >
+> > Dale Huckeby
+> >
+> 
+> Crescent moon-like symbol might be mis-interpreted as a religious
+> symbol. The conspiracy crazies might generate much publicity for
+> Mageia.
+> 
+
+LoL ! Everything can be mis-interpreted. Please don't fall into a
+hyper-correctness.
+
+-- 
+Regards
+TPG
+
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[Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia

+ Maarten Vanraes + maarten.vanraes at gmail.com +
+ Tue Sep 28 02:08:21 CEST 2010 +

+
+ +
Op dinsdag 28 september 2010 02:04:09 schreef Tomasz Paweł Gajc:
+> Dnia 2010-09-27, o godz. 19:46:34
+> 
+> Hoyt Duff <hoytduff at gmail.com> napisał(a):
+> > On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 6:00 PM, Dale Huckeby <spock at evansville.net>
+> > 
+> > wrote:
+> > >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/54138626@N05/5016045891/in/pool-mageia-ar
+> > >> t
+> > >> 
+> > >> Its simple, elegant and appropriate for all potential users of
+> > >> Mageia. :o)
+> > > 
+> > > Dale Huckeby
+> > 
+> > Crescent moon-like symbol might be mis-interpreted as a religious
+> > symbol. The conspiracy crazies might generate much publicity for
+> > Mageia.
+> 
+> LoL ! Everything can be mis-interpreted. Please don't fall into a
+> hyper-correctness.
+
+also, in PR, there's no such thing as bad publicity...
+
+ + + +
+

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[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name "mageia"?

+ ed + etharp at earthlink.net +
+ Tue Sep 28 02:43:23 CEST 2010 +

+
+ +
On 09/27/2010 07:55 PM, Hoyt Duff wrote:
+> On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 3:05 PM, Florian Hubold<doktor5000 at arcor.de>  wrote:
+>    
+>>   Am 23.09.2010 14:33, schrieb Wolfgang Bornath:
+>>      
+>>> Yes, of course, I was in generalising mode (many US Americans seem to
+>>> think that all Germans run around in Lederhosen, drinking beer and
+>>> eating Sauerkraut, listening to Blaskapelle and singing about
+>>> Gemütlichkeit).
+>>>        
+>>      
+> Those I see on TV are drinking beer. But most Germans I see on US TV
+> are beer-drinking sausage-eating WW!!-vintage soldiers with British
+> accents, so reality is not heavily involved in any perception.
+>
+>
+>    
+I was going to say that the 60s TV show "Hogan's Heros" would be most US 
+folks impression of Germans.
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[Mageia-discuss] Mageia with Synaptic

+ Dwight Paige + dwightpaige79 at gmail.com +
+ Tue Sep 28 03:00:10 CEST 2010 +

+
+ +
+>
+>> So, while there is nothing wrong with .deb, this is "no".
+> Thanks!
+>
+> Oliver
+>
+Just to clarify what I meant.
+
+I ,humble user, know of nothing wrong with deb or rpm. AFAIK both work 
+just fine when used correctly. But Mageia is as stated a fork of 
+Mandriva which is a very well known descendant of Red Hat ergo rpm is 
+from the beginning the package management base. I wouldn't have thought 
+this to be a matter for discussion. And as Mandriva is my favorite 
+GNU/Linux distro I'm more than happy with that. If it ain't broke don't 
+fix it. (Doesn't mean you can't tweak it!)
+
+I have learned something though. Late at night I need to be more careful 
+about responding to pointless discussions in the first place.
+
+Best wishes to all,
+Dwight Paige
+
+
+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
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[Mageia-discuss] rpm or deb?

+ Thomas Spuhler + thomas at btspuhler.com +
+ Tue Sep 28 03:34:49 CEST 2010 +

+
+ +
On Monday, September 27, 2010 03:01:55 am Giuseppe Ghibò wrote:
+> 2010/9/27 isadora <isis2000 at gmail.com>
+> 
+> > Stop this discussion that is useless, please.
+> > 
+> >> --
+> >> Sandro Cazzaniga
+> >> Bashburn hacker (http://bashburn.dose.se/)
+> >> Mageia Contributor (http://www.mageia.org/fr/)
+> >> Serial Blogger (http://twitter.com/Kharec)
+> >> Developer (Perl, Bash, C)
+> >> Vice President, secretary and member of CA of Alolise
+> >> (http://www.alolise.org)
+> > 
+> > Exactly that, spend energy in more important things.
+> 
+> With all the respect, but I don't like this tone of shutting up people, who
+> might have a less technical skills, especially in a phase of brainstorming
+> where everyone show entusiasm on partecipating even with the most crazy
+> idea, and also because the trolling level has not yet been reached.
+> Sometimes a brilliant idea might come or be inspired even from the most
+> dumbest suggestion.
+> 
+> Bye
+> Giuseppe.
+I wouldn't like a change. Some of the packages required a lot of effort in the 
+spec file and I wouldn't like to spend a lot of hours to change them for 
+gaining not much.
+
+-- 
+Thomas
+
+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
+

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[Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia

+ Rory Albertyn + rory.a at radiantnet.co.za +
+ Tue Sep 28 03:49:58 CEST 2010 +

+
+ +
On 09/28/2010 02:08 AM, Maarten Vanraes wrote:
+> Op dinsdag 28 september 2010 02:04:09 schreef Tomasz Paweł Gajc:
+>    
+>> Dnia 2010-09-27, o godz. 19:46:34
+>>
+>> Hoyt Duff<hoytduff at gmail.com>  napisał(a):
+>>      
+>>> On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 6:00 PM, Dale Huckeby<spock at evansville.net>
+>>>
+>>> wrote:
+>>>        
+>>>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/54138626@N05/5016045891/in/pool-mageia-ar
+>>>>> t
+>>>>>
+>>>>> Its simple, elegant and appropriate for all potential users of
+>>>>> Mageia. :o)
+>>>>>            
+>>>> Dale Huckeby
+>>>>          
+>>> Crescent moon-like symbol might be mis-interpreted as a religious
+>>> symbol. The conspiracy crazies might generate much publicity for
+>>> Mageia.
+>>>        
+>> LoL ! Everything can be mis-interpreted. Please don't fall into a
+>> hyper-correctness.
+>>      
+> also, in PR, there's no such thing as bad publicity...
+>
+>    
+Our one Graphics designer has been set loose for the week to come up 
+with ideas for the logo. I think if everyone works together, then a 
+'community designed' logo would fit everyones taste. Constructive 
+criticism and comments can only bring us closer to a perfect-as-possible 
+design.
+
+ + + + +
+

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[Mageia-discuss] rpm or deb?

+ Ireneusz Gierlach + irek.gierlach at gmail.com +
+ Tue Sep 28 03:54:36 CEST 2010 +

+
+ +
  On 09/27/2010 09:34 PM, Thomas Spuhler wrote:
+> On Monday, September 27, 2010 03:01:55 am Giuseppe Ghibò wrote:
+>> 2010/9/27 isadora<isis2000 at gmail.com>
+>>
+>>> Stop this discussion that is useless, please.
+>>>
+>>>> --
+>>>> Sandro Cazzaniga
+>>>> Bashburn hacker (http://bashburn.dose.se/)
+>>>> Mageia Contributor (http://www.mageia.org/fr/)
+>>>> Serial Blogger (http://twitter.com/Kharec)
+>>>> Developer (Perl, Bash, C)
+>>>> Vice President, secretary and member of CA of Alolise
+>>>> (http://www.alolise.org)
+>>> Exactly that, spend energy in more important things.
+>> With all the respect, but I don't like this tone of shutting up people, who
+>> might have a less technical skills, especially in a phase of brainstorming
+>> where everyone show entusiasm on partecipating even with the most crazy
+>> idea, and also because the trolling level has not yet been reached.
+>> Sometimes a brilliant idea might come or be inspired even from the most
+>> dumbest suggestion.
+>>
+>> Bye
+>> Giuseppe.
+> I wouldn't like a change. Some of the packages required a lot of effort in the
+> spec file and I wouldn't like to spend a lot of hours to change them for
+> gaining not much.
+>
+I Think that changing the package manager to anything other than rpm 
+will require a serious change in the core of the distribution. It would 
+also add a lot more work right off the start because of the new tools 
+that would have to be created or incorporated into the project. But 
+please don't get me wrong i'm not saying its not possible. I would love 
+to (someday) see a distro which asks me during installation which type 
+of package manager i want to include, with option "None" amongst many :)
+
+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
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[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name "mageia"?

+ Dwight Paige + dwightpaige79 at gmail.com +
+ Tue Sep 28 04:04:31 CEST 2010 +

+
+ +
On 09/27/2010 02:05 PM, Florian Hubold wrote:
+> Am 23.09.2010 14:33, schrieb Wolfgang Bornath:
+>>
+>> Yes, of course, I was in generalising mode (many US Americans seem to
+>> think that all Germans run around in Lederhosen, drinking beer and
+>> eating Sauerkraut, listening to Blaskapelle and singing about
+>> Gemütlichkeit).
+> Pssst, do not shout this out so loudly. They could take a look
+> at Munich, Bavaria at the moment and be approved by their
+> opinion that we have something simlar to "rednecks" in germany :).
+>
+
+Hey, I grew up in Mississippi and I've been to Munich. I doubt they're 
+drinking Bud Light in Munich now. Though some of the behavior is similar 
+this time of year...
+
+Dwight Paige,
+New Orleans
+The spirit of Mardi Gras year round
+
+
+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
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[Mageia-discuss] who knows about site mageia-br?

+ Sinner from the Prairy + sinnerbofh at gmail.com +
+ Tue Sep 28 04:22:28 CEST 2010 +

+
+ +
2010/9/27 André Machado <afmachado at dcemail.com>:
+> http://mageia-br.org is runing under Windows Server 2003 according http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mageia-br.org%2F . Isn't official. Don't use it.
+
+Maybe it's on a parked-domains server.
+
+
+Salut,
+Sinner
+-- 
+Sinner from the Prairy - http://sinnerbofh.blogspot.com/ -
+http://www.ibiblio.org/sinner/
+Linux User # 89976 - Visit BlogDrake:  http://blogdrake.net
+
+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
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[Mageia-discuss] Help about gmane and broken threads

+ Sinner from the Prairy + sinnerbofh at gmail.com +
+ Tue Sep 28 04:33:16 CEST 2010 +

+
+ +
Hi André,
+
+On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 6:07 PM, Andre Machado <afmachado at dcemail.com> wrote:
+> Hi,
+
+> For the good of all, I started to use Gmane,
+
+Thank you so so so much. This is the first post that is not breaking a thread.
+
+ WIN!
+
+> but when I will reply a post, it
+> often says that is much quoted text.
+
+Then, you are quoting too much text compared of the amount of new text
+you are ading to the conversation.
+
+> Is this normal?
+
+It is normal when you quote a very long message and you add only very little.
+
+>  What are the maximum allowed?
+
+I don't know. But my guess is that quoting a 200 lines email just to
+ad a one line answer is not good.
+
+Not good for the server, and not good for everybody reading the messages.
+
+Think about it.
+
+You'll have to download a huge message over cellular network (most
+read emails on smartphones), which takes time, battery and goes
+against the data download limit.
+
+And then, you have to scroll many many many lines just for a single line.
+
+Not great.
+
+This is why there are all this rules in place.
+
+> Can I erase all > signs except the first one?
+
+That will be awful. You will just "cheating".
+
+Thin why are there rules, to help everybody, to make it easier to read
+more than 1000 messages in one week.
+
+Just trim (= remove) what is not needed.
+
+
+> Sorry for anything,
+
+Don't worry. We all learn all the time, nobody is born knowing it all.
+
+> André
+
+
+
+Salut,
+Sinner
+-- 
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+
+ + + + + + + + +
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[Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia

+ Dale Huckeby + spock at evansville.net +
+ Tue Sep 28 05:58:01 CEST 2010 +

+
+ +
On Mon, 27 Sep 2010, Hoyt Duff wrote:
+
+> On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 6:00 PM, Dale Huckeby <spock at evansville.net> wrote:
+>
+>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/54138626@N05/5016045891/in/pool-mageia-art
+>>>
+>>> Its simple, elegant and appropriate for all potential users of Mageia.
+>>>  :o)
+>
+>>
+>> Dale Huckeby
+>>
+>
+> Crescent moon-like symbol might be mis-interpreted as a religious
+> symbol. The conspiracy crazies might generate much publicity for
+> Mageia.
+
+Please be careful of your attributions. I didn't write that. If you're going
+to edit out a person's words edit out his name also.
+
+Dale Huckeby
+
+ + + + + + +
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[Mageia-discuss] Other logo proposal

+ Binary Trance + binarytrance at gmail.com +
+ Tue Sep 28 06:26:01 CEST 2010 +

+
+ +
Hi all from Buenos Aires.
+Well, here it is my contribution for logo contest. Its made on CS4 over
+wine, probably u say that is not "correct", but this is
+another simple contribution for the logos proposal :)
+
+http://mageia.posterous.com/my-first-post-and-logo-proposal
+
+Namaste
+Pablo Barrera
+
+
+2010/9/28 Dale Huckeby <spock at evansville.net>
+
+> On Mon, 27 Sep 2010, Hoyt Duff wrote:
+>
+>  On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 6:00 PM, Dale Huckeby <spock at evansville.net>
+>> wrote:
+>>
+>>  http://www.flickr.com/photos/54138626@N05/5016045891/in/pool-mageia-art
+>>>>
+>>>> Its simple, elegant and appropriate for all potential users of Mageia.
+>>>>  :o)
+>>>>
+>>>
+>>
+>>> Dale Huckeby
+>>>
+>>>
+>> Crescent moon-like symbol might be mis-interpreted as a religious
+>> symbol. The conspiracy crazies might generate much publicity for
+>> Mageia.
+>>
+>
+> Please be careful of your attributions. I didn't write that. If you're
+> going
+> to edit out a person's words edit out his name also.
+>
+> Dale Huckeby
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[Mageia-discuss] Other logo proposal

+ Hoyt Duff + hoytduff at gmail.com +
+ Tue Sep 28 07:03:21 CEST 2010 +

+
+ +
On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 12:26 AM, Binary Trance <binarytrance at gmail.com> wrote:
+
+>> Please be careful of your attributions. I didn't write that. If you're
+>> going
+>> to edit out a person's words edit out his name also.
+>>
+>> Dale Huckeby
+>
+
+Dale, I apologize for my sloppy trimming. With all the nested replies,
+over-quoting and top-posting, it gets a little jumbled at times.
+
+And I now see how badly GMail sucks at reading mail lists.
+
+-- 
+Hoyt
+
+ + + + + + + + + + + + + +
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[Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia

+ Hoyt Duff + hoytduff at gmail.com +
+ Tue Sep 28 07:06:01 CEST 2010 +

+
+ +
On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 8:08 PM, Maarten Vanraes
+<maarten.vanraes at gmail.com> wrote:
+
+>> LoL ! Everything can be mis-interpreted. Please don't fall into a
+>> hyper-correctness.
+>
+> also, in PR, there's no such thing as bad publicity...
+>
+
+My point. A little harmless controversy never hurt. I liked the logo.
+
+-- 
+Hoyt
+
+ + + +
+

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[Mageia-discuss] rpm or deb?

+ Hoyt Duff + hoytduff at gmail.com +
+ Tue Sep 28 07:11:50 CEST 2010 +

+
+ +
On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 9:54 PM, Ireneusz Gierlach
+<irek.gierlach at gmail.com> wrote:
+
+> I Think that changing the package manager to anything other than rpm will
+> require a serious change in the core of the distribution. It would also add
+> a lot more work right off the start because of the new tools that would have
+> to be created or incorporated into the project. But please don't get me
+> wrong i'm not saying its not possible. I would love to (someday) see a
+> distro which asks me during installation which type of package manager i
+> want to include, with option "None" amongst many :)
+>
+
+Pretty much akin to suggesting that we switch to a BSD or the HURD
+kernel (and I'm not suggesting that at all).
+
+All are interesting ideas with some merit and no need to disparage any
+ideas, but it's not a very frugal use of resources at this time.
+
+-- 
+Hoyt
+
+ + + + + + + + + + +
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[Mageia-discuss] Other logo proposal

+ Mihai Dobrescu + msdobrescu at gmail.com +
+ Tue Sep 28 08:06:54 CEST 2010 +

+
+ +
On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 8:03 AM, Hoyt Duff <hoytduff at gmail.com> wrote:
+
+> On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 12:26 AM, Binary Trance <binarytrance at gmail.com>
+> wrote:
+>
+> >> Please be careful of your attributions. I didn't write that. If you're
+> >> going
+> >> to edit out a person's words edit out his name also.
+> >>
+> >> Dale Huckeby
+> >
+>
+> Dale, I apologize for my sloppy trimming. With all the nested replies,
+> over-quoting and top-posting, it gets a little jumbled at times.
+>
+> And I now see how badly GMail sucks at reading mail lists.
+>
+> --
+> Hoyt
+>
+
+I like Gmail at reading, but writing a new message is annoying due to top
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[Mageia-discuss] Other logo proposal

+ Hoyt Duff + hoytduff at gmail.com +
+ Tue Sep 28 08:19:06 CEST 2010 +

+
+ +
On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 2:06 AM, Mihai Dobrescu <msdobrescu at gmail.com> wrote:
+>
+>
+> On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 8:03 AM, Hoyt Duff <hoytduff at gmail.com> wrote:
+
+>> And I now see how badly GMail sucks at reading mail lists.
+>>
+>> --
+>> Hoyt
+>
+> I like Gmail at reading, but writing a new message is annoying due to top
+> posting.
+>
+
+Agreed.
+
+-- 
+Hoyt
+
+A: Top Posting
+Q: What's the most annoying thing found in email?
+
+ + + + + + + + + + + + + +
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[Mageia-discuss] who knows about site mageia-br?

+ Lombard Marianne + marianne at tuxette.fr +
+ Tue Sep 28 09:58:42 CEST 2010 +

+
+ +
Le 27/09/2010 23:50, André Machado a écrit :
+> http://mageia-br.org is runing under Windows Server 2003 according http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mageia-br.org%2F . Isn't official. Don't use it.
+> 
+> _____________________________________________________________
+> Washington DC's Largest FREE Email service. ---> http://www.DCemail.com ---> A Washington Online Community Member --->
+> http://www.DCpages.com
+André,
+
+As told you many time, please use a proper mail client and stop breaking
+threads every time you send a message
+
+Thank you
+
+-- 
+Marianne (Jehane) Lombard
+Mandriva User - Mageia french translation team
+Inside every fat girl, there is a thin girl waiting to get out (and a
+lot of chocolate) - Terry Pratchett
+
+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
+

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[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen

+ Tomàs Deltell Bonell + tomasdeltell at gmx.es +
+ Tue Sep 28 10:01:09 CEST 2010 +

+
+ +
  El 22/09/2010 23:49, Anne nicolas escribió:
+> Hi all
+>
+> News on our messy kitchen available below :)
+> http://blog.mageia.org/?p=18
+>
+> (other languages coming soon)
+>
+> As you can see work is going on and we are doing everything so that we
+> can start very soon.
+> As a reminder, you can register on http://mageia.org/wiki if you wish
+> to contribute or have a look on http://donation.mageia.org to help
+> Mageia project.
+>
+> Thanks again for your support
+> Cheers!
+>
+> -------
+> Anne
+> _______________________________________________
+> Mageia-discuss mailing list
+> Mageia-discuss at mageia.org
+> https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss
+mdktrans-be translated the blog post (http://blog.mageia.org/?p=18) to 
+spanish language.
+
+
+
+
+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
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[Mageia-discuss] Mailist etiquette -- gentle reminder

+ Ahmad Samir + ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com +
+ Tue Sep 28 10:13:02 CEST 2010 +

+
+ +
On 24 September 2010 20:02, Marc Paré <marc at marcpare.com> wrote:
+> There should be a recurring reminder of the mailist and Gmane list rules.
+> There are many who are new to mailists and have never had the experience in
+> group mailist etiquette. Some people find it annoying/frustrating when
+> people top-post, quote whole passages etc. But we should be happy that there
+> is so much participation. It just means that we need to every now and then
+> send out a gentle reminder of the rules. I think that the "Mailist etiquette
+> -- gentle reminder" should be posted every now and then by the Mageia ML
+> maintainer just to add a little formality to the message.
+>
+> Mailist etiquette:
+>
+> - English language only please on the mailist
+> - no top posting please
+> - when answering, please quote the relevant sentences that is being replied
+> - please do not break the threads. Do a proper "Reply" from your email agent
+> and your email will be "nested" with the right discussion thread.
+> - please do not hijack threads by "Replying" and then changing the "Subject"
+> line of the mail
+>
+> The exchange of ideas makes us all grow. Mageia, the magic continues.
+>
+> Marc
+>
+
+Adding to the above list:
+- Please always set the text line wrap in your email client to ~72
+characters. (the number of characters per line seems to be a debatable
+issue; 72 chars per line is used in both evolution and claws-mail,
+so...).
+
+-- 
+Ahmad Samir
+
+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
+

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[Mageia-discuss] South African User Community

+ Thomas Lottmann + skiperdrake at gmail.com +
+ Tue Sep 28 10:13:55 CEST 2010 +

+
+ +
  Le 26/09/2010 22:50, Rory Albertyn a écrit :
+> Greetings,
+>
+> A South African user community has started. The IRC channel is 
+> #mageia-za on freenode.
+>
+> I would like to thank those of you who assisted and would like to 
+> request a mailing list and links on the website.
+>
+> ~ Rory (Gripen on Freenode)
+>
+Thank you very much!
+
+In fact, I think this would really be great and helpful to also support 
+afrikaans and people from South Africa. :-)
+
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[Mageia-discuss] Thread breaking ( Was: who knows about site mageia-br? )

+ Michael Scherer + misc at zarb.org +
+ Tue Sep 28 10:47:57 CEST 2010 +

+
+ +
Le mardi 28 septembre 2010 à 09:58 +0200, Lombard Marianne a écrit :
+> Le 27/09/2010 23:50, André Machado a écrit :
+> > http://mageia-br.org is runing under Windows Server 2003 according http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mageia-br.org%2F . Isn't official. Don't use it.
+> > 
+> >
+> André,
+> 
+> As told you many time, please use a proper mail client and stop breaking
+> threads every time you send a message
+
+May I suggest to people who sent such messages that they be a little bit
+more friendly, and kindly explain what is a thread ( because not
+everybody know this ), and how to not break them ?
+
+And by the way, such messages would better be sent in private IMHO, this
+                      is not related to the list.
+-- 
+Michael Scherer
+
+
+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
+

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[Mageia-discuss] Serbian tranaslation

+ miodragz + miodragz at linuxo.org +
+ Tue Sep 28 11:10:22 CEST 2010 +

+
+ +
What happened to the translation mageia front page on Serbian I sent him a few days ago
+
+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
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[Mageia-discuss] Donations page translated to Spanish

+ Juan Carlos de la Cruz + pcboltzmann at gmail.com +
+ Tue Sep 28 11:14:05 CEST 2010 +

+
+ +
>
+> It's online:  http://donate.mageia.org/es/
+>
+> Could you please check that the page is ok please ?
+>
+>
+Yep. It's fine!
+
+There is only a very minor thing: In the header of the page, in the section
+for the language-version labels, the attribute ' class="sel" ' should be put
+in the 'http://donations.mageia.org/es' link, not in the English one, in
+order to see the Spanish link in bold characters when the pages is browsed.
+I forgot to change it, sorry for that!
+
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[Mageia-discuss] Donations page translated to Spanish

+ Maât + maat-ml at vilarem.net +
+ Tue Sep 28 11:24:51 CEST 2010 +

+
+ +
Le 28/09/2010 11:14, Juan Carlos de la Cruz a écrit :
+>
+>
+>     It's online:  http://donate.mageia.org/es/
+>
+>     Could you please check that the page is ok please ?
+>
+>
+> Yep. It's fine!
+>
+> There is only a very minor thing: In the header of the page, in the
+> section for the language-version labels, the attribute ' class="sel" '
+> should be put in the 'http://donations.mageia.org/es' link, not in the
+> English one, in order to see the Spanish link in bold characters when
+> the pages is browsed. I forgot to change it, sorry for that!
+>
+> Kind regards!
+Fixed :)
+
+Thanks for the review !
+
+Maât
+
+
+
+ + + + + + + + +
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[Mageia-discuss] South African User Community

+ Rory Albertyn + rory.a at radiantnet.co.za +
+ Tue Sep 28 12:21:27 CEST 2010 +

+
+ +
On 09/28/2010 10:13 AM, Thomas Lottmann wrote:
+> Le 26/09/2010 22:50, Rory Albertyn a écrit :
+>> Greetings,
+>>
+>> A South African user community has started. The IRC channel is 
+>> #mageia-za on freenode.
+>>
+>> I would like to thank those of you who assisted and would like to 
+>> request a mailing list and links on the website.
+>>
+>> ~ Rory (Gripen on Freenode)
+>>
+> Thank you very much!
+>
+> In fact, I think this would really be great and helpful to also 
+> support afrikaans and people from South Africa. :-)
+>
+> Skiper.
+
+Work on the South African site has begun. mageia-za.org should have 
+propagated by now as well. I think  buddypress would work nicely as a 
+community site as it fits most of our needs. Any comments, constructive 
+criticism and input on this would be most welcome. It is a community 
+after all.
+
+Skiper, Afrikaans will indeed be supported on par with English. French 
+translation could also be looked at for those speaking the language in 
+the Southern African regions too.
+
+Once the Site is up, I'll be looking at potential mirrors for the ZA users.
+
+~ Rory (Gripen on Freenode)
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[Mageia-discuss] About dependency management (was: rpm or deb?)

+ Daniel Le Berre + leberre at cril.univ-artois.fr +
+ Tue Sep 28 08:24:17 CEST 2010 +

+
+ +
Hi guys,
+
+Those interested in dependency management (aka rpm or deb and associated tools) can find here much data presenting the pros and cons of each approach in the Linux world:
+http://www.mancoosi.org/
+
+Dependency management is not a trivial task, changing the tools used for that purpose in a distribution neither.
+
+Cheers,
+
+	Daniel
+
+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
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[Mageia-discuss] Other logo proposal

+ Wayne Sallee + Wayne at WayneSallee.com +
+ Tue Sep 28 12:28:42 CEST 2010 +

+
+ +
I think it's too large of a logo (when you include all the lines), and 
+it's too hard to understand the name.
+The line pattern might make a good desktop design.
+
+Wayne Sallee
+Wayne at WayneSallee.com
+
+Binary Trance wrote on 09/28/2010 12:26 AM:
+> Hi all from Buenos Aires.
+> Well, here it is my contribution for logo contest. Its made on CS4 
+> over wine, probably u say that is not "correct", but this is
+> another simple contribution for the logos proposal :)
+>
+> http://mageia.posterous.com/my-first-post-and-logo-proposal
+>
+> Namaste
+> Pablo Barrera
+>
+
+ + + + + + + + + +
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[Mageia-discuss] Other logo proposal

+ Binary Trance + binarytrance at gmail.com +
+ Tue Sep 28 13:16:19 CEST 2010 +

+
+ +
Hi Wayne
+
+2010/9/28 Wayne Sallee <Wayne at waynesallee.com>
+
+> I think it's too large of a logo (when you include all the lines), and it's
+> too hard to understand the name.
+> The line pattern might make a good desktop design.
+>
+
+I just another proposal no more no less, the idea was thinking on a
+bootsplash concept, and the logo precisely
+runs on transgession of the interpretation of the name :) its absolutely
+intentional :)
+
+anyway theres a lot of option, and as i said, just for the pleasrure for
+share things...
+
+
+regards
+P.
+
+
+
+
+>
+> Wayne Sallee
+> Wayne at WayneSallee.com
+>
+> Binary Trance wrote on 09/28/2010 12:26 AM:
+>
+>  Hi all from Buenos Aires.
+>> Well, here it is my contribution for logo contest. Its made on CS4 over
+>> wine, probably u say that is not "correct", but this is
+>> another simple contribution for the logos proposal :)
+>>
+>> http://mageia.posterous.com/my-first-post-and-logo-proposal
+>>
+>> Namaste
+>> Pablo Barrera
+>>
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[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen

+ Frederic Janssens + fjanss at gmail.com +
+ Tue Sep 28 13:50:39 CEST 2010 +

+
+ +
On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 19:50, Maât <maat-ml at vilarem.net> wrote:
+
+>  I finally got my (busy) native speaker on the line.
+> She will send me a better version late this night, or tomorrow.
+> I will transmit it.
+>
+>
+> Cool news.
+>
+> Thanks to you three :)
+>
+>
+> Here is the result (for http://donation.mageia.org/nl/)
+
+-- 
+
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[Mageia-discuss] who knows about site mageia-br?

+ Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli + giampaoli.gustavo at gmail.com +
+ Tue Sep 28 13:59:42 CEST 2010 +

+
+ +
> As told you many time, please use a proper mail client and stop breaking
+> threads every time you send a message
+
+I've seeing the comments about breaking threads.
+
+I check all my mail with web GMail and the thread never breaks. All
+comments from André are in the same thread.
+
+Cheers!
+
+
+
+tavillo1980
+
+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
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[Mageia-discuss] who knows about site mageia-br?

+ Dimitrios Glentadakis + dglent at gmail.com +
+ Tue Sep 28 14:03:47 CEST 2010 +

+
+ +
2010/9/28 Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli <giampaoli.gustavo at gmail.com>
+
+> > As told you many time, please use a proper mail client and stop breaking
+> > threads every time you send a message
+>
+> I've seeing the comments about breaking threads.
+>
+> I check all my mail with web GMail and the thread never breaks. All
+> comments from André are in the same thread.
+>
+> Cheers!
+>
+>
+>
+> tavillo1980
+>
+
+
+I use gmail too without any problem, threads are never broken
+
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[Mageia-discuss] Help about gmane and broken threads

+ Luan Pham + luanlx.louie at gmail.com +
+ Tue Sep 28 14:05:31 CEST 2010 +

+
+ +
+
+On Mon, 2010-09-27 at 22:33 -0400, Sinner from the Prairy wrote:
+> > For the good of all, I started to use Gmane,
+> 
+> Thank you so so so much. This is the first post that is not breaking a
+> thread.
+> 
+>  WIN!
+
+What usernet group to used in Gname.
+
+
+ + + + + + +
+

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[Mageia-discuss] Translation -structure

+ David V. Wallin + david at ngweb.se +
+ Tue Sep 28 14:13:52 CEST 2010 +

+
+ +
Hi everyone,
+
+Going to throw out an idea born by the members on Mageia-se.org about the handling of translations.
+This might be an obvious idea, and if so we'll be happy :-)
+
+I'm going to quote the text i wrote in #mageia since i currently feel too lazy to re-write it. Hope you understand what i'm trying to say with the text.
+
+"Had a discussion on Mageia-se.org where we talked about making translations of the disto from the community itself. The suggestion, that i wanted to run by someone before putting on the mailist, is that each country community starts a section (a wiki for example) where all the members of that community are able to translate as much as they are able and then, when reaching a certain percent translated, the translation is returned to the main developer team for implementation."
+
+"the main motivation from the members on mageia-se.org was that everyone could feel apart of the work and feel useful since even only translating one word would be a contribution."
+
+
+----
+
+Betygsätt gärna mitt mail!
+http://responsio.se/foretag/stockholm-next-generation-web/david-v-wallin/
+
+----
+
+Best Regards / Vänligen ,
+
+Stockholm Next Generation Web
+David V. Wallin
++46 (0)8 4100 39 82
+http://www.ngweb.se
+david at ngweb.se
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[Mageia-discuss] Translation -structure

+ Lombard Marianne + marianne at tuxette.fr +
+ Tue Sep 28 14:17:48 CEST 2010 +

+
+ +
Le 28/09/2010 14:13, David V. Wallin a écrit :
+> Hi everyone,
+> 
+> Going to throw out an idea born by the members on Mageia-se.org
+> <http://Mageia-se.org> about the handling of translations.
+> This might be an obvious idea, and if so we'll be happy :-)
+> 
+> I'm going to quote the text i wrote in #mageia since i currently feel
+> too lazy to re-write it. Hope you understand what i'm trying to say with
+> the text.
+> 
+> "Had a discussion on Mageia-se.org <http://Mageia-se.org> where we
+> talked about making translations of the disto from the community itself.
+> The suggestion, that i wanted to run by someone before putting on the
+> mailist, is that each country community starts a section (a wiki for
+> example) where all the members of that community are able to translate
+> as much as they are able and then, when reaching a certain percent
+> translated, the translation is returned to the main developer team for
+> implementation."
+> 
+> "the main motivation from the members on mageia-se.org
+> <http://mageia-se.org> was that everyone could feel apart of the work
+> and feel useful since even only translating one word would be a
+> contribution."
+> 
+> 
+> ----
+> 
+> Betygsätt gärna mitt mail!
+> http://responsio.se/foretag/stockholm-next-generation-web/david-v-wallin/
+> 
+> ----
+> 
+> Best Regards / Vänligen ,
+> 
+> Stockholm Next Generation Web
+> David V. Wallin
+> +46 (0)8 4100 39 82
+> http://www.ngweb.se
+> david at ngweb.se <mailto:david at ngweb.se>
+> 
+> 
+> 
+> 
+Hi,
+
+No tool has been chosen right now for the translation work. Different
+ideas have been launched : subversion, transifex, etc. Why not a wiki.
+There is advantages and problems in every solution.
+
+You can join the list mageia-i18n, who is dedicated to the translation
+and localization issue.
+
+Marianne / Jehane
+
+-- 
+Marianne (Jehane) Lombard
+Mandriva User - Mageia french translation team
+Inside every fat girl, there is a thin girl waiting to get out (and a
+lot of chocolate) - Terry Pratchett
+
+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
+

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[Mageia-discuss] Translation -structure

+ Wolfgang Bornath + molch.b at googlemail.com +
+ Tue Sep 28 14:18:29 CEST 2010 +

+
+ +
2010/9/28 David V. Wallin <david at ngweb.se>:
+> "the main motivation from the members on mageia-se.org was that everyone
+> could feel apart of the work and feel useful since even only translating one
+> word would be a contribution."
+
+This woould mean that you either put the po files on the wiki to be
+subject to collaboration or you use your own svn system while the
+translators are working on the files.
+
+Of course it is an idea but it also involves extra work. It alos
+depends on how many volunteers you can round'up.
+
+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
+

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[Mageia-discuss] Other logo proposal

+ Wayne Sallee + Wayne at WayneSallee.com +
+ Tue Sep 28 14:13:44 CEST 2010 +

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[Mageia-discuss] Translation -structure

+ Wolfgang Bornath + molch.b at googlemail.com +
+ Tue Sep 28 14:21:58 CEST 2010 +

+
+ +
2010/9/28 Lombard Marianne <marianne at tuxette.fr>:
+>
+> No tool has been chosen right now for the translation work.
+
+Oh, really? I'd strongly recommend agreeing on a tool which is easy to
+use and which allows for using the already existing po files of
+Mandriva Linux for such parts which will be the same or only slightly
+different from current Cooker.
+
+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
+

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[Mageia-discuss] Translation -structure

+ Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli + giampaoli.gustavo at gmail.com +
+ Tue Sep 28 14:23:25 CEST 2010 +

+
+ +
We have something like that at Blogdrake.net
+
+See http://mdktrans.blogdrake.net/index.php
+
+It's based on SimplePo, with some customization (I didn't do it, so I
+can't tell you which things has being changed).
+
+We pick PO files, and put them at http://mdktrans.blogdrake.net/index.php
+
+There, MDKTrans members log in and translate lines. Other members come
+after, and check.
+
+When it's ready 100%, Diego Bello (MDKTrans coordinator) uploads PO
+file again to Mandriva server.
+
+Cheers!
+
+
+tavillo1980
+
+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
+

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+ Wayne Sallee + Wayne at WayneSallee.com +
+ Tue Sep 28 13:57:27 CEST 2010 +

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[Mageia-discuss] Translation -structure

+ Lombard Marianne + marianne at tuxette.fr +
+ Tue Sep 28 14:24:18 CEST 2010 +

+
+ +
Le 28/09/2010 14:21, Wolfgang Bornath a écrit :
+> 2010/9/28 Lombard Marianne <marianne at tuxette.fr>:
+>>
+>> No tool has been chosen right now for the translation work.
+> 
+> Oh, really? I'd strongly recommend agreeing on a tool which is easy to
+> use and which allows for using the already existing po files of
+> Mandriva Linux for such parts which will be the same or only slightly
+> different from current Cooker.
+
+I never said that some tools have not been rejected (like launchpad).
+But only that no official decision has been announced.
+
+Personnaly, my preference go to transifex, who is dedicated to
+translation work. But everyone can not share my opinion.
+
+Marianne
+
+-- 
+Marianne (Jehane) Lombard
+Mandriva User - Mageia french translation team
+Inside every fat girl, there is a thin girl waiting to get out (and a
+lot of chocolate) - Terry Pratchett
+
+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
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[Mageia-discuss] Translation -structure

+ Wayne Sallee + Wayne at WayneSallee.com +
+ Tue Sep 28 14:18:35 CEST 2010 +

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[Mageia-discuss] Translation -structure

+ Oliver Burger + oliver.bgr at googlemail.com +
+ Tue Sep 28 14:38:29 CEST 2010 +

+
+ +
This is a topic, which should be discussed on the i18n list, I think!
+
+"David V. Wallin" <david at ngweb.se> schrieb am 2010-09-28
+>... that each
+> country community starts a section (a wiki for example) where all the
+> members of that community are able to translate as much as they are able
+> and then, when reaching a certain percent translated, the translation is
+> returned to the main developer team for implementation.
+
+I really don't think, this is such a great idea because as a i18n team member 
+you would have to read all thos stuff and see, if it's translated correctly.
+And then we would have to add all that stuff into the right format and commit 
+it.
+
+It would be far easier, if a few more people would help in the real work and 
+contribute to the translations directly. It's not that hard to work with 
+poedit or lokalize.
+
+Oliver
+
+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
+

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[Mageia-discuss] Translation -structure

+ Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli + giampaoli.gustavo at gmail.com +
+ Tue Sep 28 14:36:24 CEST 2010 +

+
+ +
2010/9/28 Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli <giampaoli.gustavo at gmail.com>:
+> We have something like that at Blogdrake.net
+>
+> See http://mdktrans.blogdrake.net/index.php
+>
+> It's based on SimplePo, with some customization (I didn't do it, so I
+> can't tell you which things has being changed).
+>
+> We pick PO files, and put them at http://mdktrans.blogdrake.net/index.php
+>
+> There, MDKTrans members log in and translate lines. Other members come
+> after, and check.
+>
+> When it's ready 100%, Diego Bello (MDKTrans coordinator) uploads PO
+> file again to Mandriva server.
+>
+> Cheers!
+>
+>
+> tavillo1980
+
+I forgot, I hope Mageia has something like this:
+http://mdk.jack.kiev.ua/stats/gui/trunk/team/es/
+
+IMHO, it rise translators spirit when they see how lines become green.
+
+Cheers!
+
+tavillo1980
+
+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
+

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[Mageia-discuss] Translation -structure

+ Oliver Burger + oliver.bgr at googlemail.com +
+ Tue Sep 28 14:43:38 CEST 2010 +

+
+ +
Please no top posting an no full quotes. And: NO HTML MAILS!
+
+Please read http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Docs/Support/Mailinglists/Etiquette
+
+Oliver
+
+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
+

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[Mageia-discuss] Help about gmane and broken threads

+ Michael Scherer + misc at zarb.org +
+ Tue Sep 28 14:40:28 CEST 2010 +

+
+ +
Le mardi 28 septembre 2010 à 08:05 -0400, Luan Pham a écrit :
+> 
+> On Mon, 2010-09-27 at 22:33 -0400, Sinner from the Prairy wrote:
+> > > For the good of all, I started to use Gmane,
+> > 
+> > Thank you so so so much. This is the first post that is not breaking a
+> > thread.
+> > 
+> >  WIN!
+> 
+> What usernet group to used in Gname.
+
+Look there for a list : 
+http://dir.gmane.org/index.php?prefix=gmane.linux.mageia
+
+-- 
+Michael Scherer
+
+
+ + + + + + +
+

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[Mageia-discuss] Translation -structure

+ Marek Laane + bald at smail.ee +
+ Tue Sep 28 14:41:29 CEST 2010 +

+
+ +
2010/9/28 Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli <giampaoli.gustavo at gmail.com>
+
+> 2010/9/28 Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli <giampaoli.gustavo at gmail.com>:
+> > We have something like that at Blogdrake.net
+> >
+> > See http://mdktrans.blogdrake.net/index.php
+> >
+> > It's based on SimplePo, with some customization (I didn't do it, so I
+> > can't tell you which things has being changed).
+> >
+> > We pick PO files, and put them at
+> http://mdktrans.blogdrake.net/index.php
+> >
+> > There, MDKTrans members log in and translate lines. Other members come
+> > after, and check.
+> >
+> > When it's ready 100%, Diego Bello (MDKTrans coordinator) uploads PO
+> > file again to Mandriva server.
+> >
+> > Cheers!
+> >
+> >
+> > tavillo1980
+>
+> I forgot, I hope Mageia has something like this:
+> http://mdk.jack.kiev.ua/stats/gui/trunk/team/es/
+>
+> IMHO, it rise translators spirit when they see how lines become green.
+>
+> Cheers!
+>
+> tavillo1980
+>
+
+Statistics is certainly a must-on!
+
+Marek Laane
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[Mageia-discuss] Translation -structure

+ Dubeau, Patrick + Patrick.Dubeau at ccq.org +
+ Tue Sep 28 14:24:26 CEST 2010 +

+
+ +
> -----Message d'origine-----
+> De : mageia-discuss-bounces at mageia.org [mailto:mageia-discuss-
+> bounces at mageia.org] De la part de Wolfgang Bornath
+> Envoyé : 28 septembre 2010 08:18
+> À : Mageia general discussions
+> Objet : Re: [Mageia-discuss] Translation -structure
+> 
+> 2010/9/28 David V. Wallin <david at ngweb.se>:
+> > "the main motivation from the members on mageia-se.org was that
+> everyone
+> > could feel apart of the work and feel useful since even only
+> translating one
+> > word would be a contribution."
+> 
+> This woould mean that you either put the po files on the wiki to be
+> subject to collaboration or you use your own svn system while the
+> translators are working on the files.
+> 
+> Of course it is an idea but it also involves extra work. It alos
+> depends on how many volunteers you can round'up.
+
+Hi,
+
+There's a great tool to do this job. We use it to translate openSUSE :
+Vertaal, http://www.vertaal.com.ar/
+
+Easy to use, great collaboration tool.
+
+Pat
+
+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
+

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[Mageia-discuss] Translation -structure

+ Oliver Burger + oliver.bgr at googlemail.com +
+ Tue Sep 28 14:49:55 CEST 2010 +

+
+ +
Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli <giampaoli.gustavo at gmail.com> schrieb am 2010-09-28
+> See http://mdktrans.blogdrake.net/index.php
+> It's based on SimplePo, with some customization (I didn't do it, so I
+> can't tell you which things has being changed).
+> 
+> We pick PO files, and put them at http://mdktrans.blogdrake.net/index.php 
+> There, MDKTrans members log in and translate lines. Other members come
+> after, and check.
+> 
+> When it's ready 100%, Diego Bello (MDKTrans coordinator) uploads PO
+> file again to Mandriva server.
+I think that's only producing more work then necessary. Why not use a version 
+control system and dedicated tools like poedit or lokalize as I've already 
+written?
+It give's you the same possibility and you don't need one central person to 
+coordinate and submit everything...
+
+Oliver
+
+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
+

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[Mageia-discuss] Translation -structure

+ Adrian Marcinkowski + amfidiusz at gmail.com +
+ Tue Sep 28 14:46:34 CEST 2010 +

+
+ +
W dniu 2010-09-28 14:17, Lombard Marianne pisze:
+>> The suggestion, that i wanted to run by someone before putting on the
+>> mailist, is that each country community starts a section (a wiki for
+>> example) where all the members of that community are able to translate
+
+I'm definitely against using wiki for translation purposes or giving 
+access to i18n tools to everybody. First of all, localization needs to 
+be consistent. If everybody starts giving different names for same 
+features, it will be a mess. Of course, there could be supervisors 
+checking every single word but that structure will not work in smaller 
+communities where HR capacity is limited. There also need to be a 
+extensive guideline for all translators - and if we cannot force the 
+community not to top-post on the mailing lists, I doubt we can reach 
+concensus on the matter of proper phrases localization. I don't want to 
+say that many of Mageia users will do the bad job on purpose but huge 
+amount of them is not either fluent in English or their own language to 
+be a translator.
+
+What I see as a perfect solution, is - discussed earlier - transifex. It 
+will allow us to manage files easily and to create skillful and devoted 
+localization teams. Of course, everybody would be able to join but the 
+selection of candidates should appear in order not to do the same job twice.
+
+Regards,
+Adrian
+
+
+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
+

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[Mageia-discuss] who knows about site mageia-br?

+ Ahmad Samir + ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com +
+ Tue Sep 28 14:50:16 CEST 2010 +

+
+ +
On 28 September 2010 14:59, Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+<giampaoli.gustavo at gmail.com> wrote:
+>> As told you many time, please use a proper mail client and stop breaking
+>> threads every time you send a message
+>
+> I've seeing the comments about breaking threads.
+>
+> I check all my mail with web GMail and the thread never breaks. All
+> comments from André are in the same thread.
+>
+> Cheers!
+>
+>
+>
+> tavillo1980
+>
+
+Gmail doesn't do proper message threading like other email clients who
+do it properly e.g. thunderbird or evolution.
+
+A constant problem I had with emails from the bugs mailing list was
+gmail splitting the same bug report-related emails into two different
+threads (really conversation is a more appropriate word here) after a
+keyword is changed e.g. adding NEEDINFO to the report. Thunderbird
+would group messages based on email headers so it go it'd get it
+right.
+
+Quoting from http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=5900 :
+“Please note that a conversation will break off into a new thread if
+the subject line of the conversation is changed, or if the
+conversation reaches over 100 messages.”
+
+IIUC, any email client that does proper threading changing the subject
+line wouldn't break the thread.
+
+Of course this has an upside, when the thread is broken for other
+clients, gmail just works as it's taking the simple/stupid approach of
+grouping messages that have the same subject line (that is IIUC :)).
+
+-- 
+Ahmad Samir
+
+ + + + + + + + + + + + +
+

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[Mageia-discuss] who knows about site mageia-br?

+ Ahmad Samir + ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com +
+ Tue Sep 28 14:50:50 CEST 2010 +

+
+ +
On 28 September 2010 15:50, Ahmad Samir <ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com> wrote:
+> On 28 September 2010 14:59, Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+> <giampaoli.gustavo at gmail.com> wrote:
+>>> As told you many time, please use a proper mail client and stop breaking
+>>> threads every time you send a message
+>>
+>> I've seeing the comments about breaking threads.
+>>
+>> I check all my mail with web GMail and the thread never breaks. All
+>> comments from André are in the same thread.
+>>
+>> Cheers!
+>>
+>>
+>>
+>> tavillo1980
+>>
+>
+> Gmail doesn't do proper message threading like other email clients who
+> do it properly e.g. thunderbird or evolution.
+
+Sorry, s/who/which/ .
+
+>
+> A constant problem I had with emails from the bugs mailing list was
+> gmail splitting the same bug report-related emails into two different
+> threads (really conversation is a more appropriate word here) after a
+> keyword is changed e.g. adding NEEDINFO to the report. Thunderbird
+> would group messages based on email headers so it go it'd get it
+> right.
+>
+> Quoting from http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=5900 :
+> “Please note that a conversation will break off into a new thread if
+> the subject line of the conversation is changed, or if the
+> conversation reaches over 100 messages.”
+>
+> IIUC, any email client that does proper threading changing the subject
+> line wouldn't break the thread.
+>
+> Of course this has an upside, when the thread is broken for other
+> clients, gmail just works as it's taking the simple/stupid approach of
+> grouping messages that have the same subject line (that is IIUC :)).
+>
+> --
+> Ahmad Samir
+>
+
+
+
+-- 
+Ahmad Samir
+
+ + + + + + + + + + + + +
+

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[Mageia-discuss] Translation -structure

+ Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli + giampaoli.gustavo at gmail.com +
+ Tue Sep 28 14:51:45 CEST 2010 +

+
+ +
> I think that's only producing more work then necessary. Why not use a version
+> control system and dedicated tools like poedit or lokalize as I've already
+> written?
+> It give's you the same possibility and you don't need one central person to
+> coordinate and submit everything...
+
+The idea behind use SimplePO in Blogdrake is to have centralized POs.
+So, if a PO file has 1500 lines, and I translated 78, another user can
+keep working in the same file as I left it.
+
+IMHO it's better to have PO files in each translator PC. All POs are
+always in the web SimplePO. And we always work them there.
+
+With this tool we translated 100% Mandriva 2010.1 POs to Spanish.
+
+Cheers!
+
+
+
+tavillo1980
+
+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
+

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[Mageia-discuss] Translation -structure

+ Miguel + cullero at gmail.com +
+ Tue Sep 28 15:00:26 CEST 2010 +

+
+ +
As an active member of MDK-Trans, besides what tavillo1980 said:
+
+> The idea behind use SimplePO in Blogdrake is to have centralized POs.
+> So, if a PO file has 1500 lines, and I translated 78, another user can
+> keep working in the same file as I left it.
+
+In my humble opinion, having SimplePo in a centralized server made the
+translation and revision processes much faster. In just a couple of
+moths, the Spanish team reached the top-10 in the list:
+
+http://mdk.jack.kiev.ua/stats/gui/trunk/toplist/
+
+For other translations, like documentation, that's another ball game.
+
+Cheers,
+motitos
+
+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
+

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[Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia

+ Lucien-Henry Horvath + tempo2 at marneau.eu +
+ Tue Sep 28 16:24:22 CEST 2010 +

+
+ +
EN (FR dessous) :
+
+It is not realy hyper-correctness if several person thinking the same.
+
+It was my first interpretation too ...
+
+We have already a star in the logo (like Mao / Lenin / US-EU flags ;-) ) 
+... Is it realy a good idea to finish have a similar "Pakistan or Turkey 
+Flag" ?
+http://www.fepef.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/600px-Flag_of_Pakistan_bordered.svg.png
+
+A lot of flag of countries (with muslim history the most time) have 
+crescent and star because it is a religious sign. Do you want a guys 
+said immediatly when he look the logo : this is a muslim operating 
+system ? Certainly not. All the world must be recognize him in this 
+logo, in this linux distribution ... not only a part.
+
+I like realy this logo but only the version without the crescent of 
+moon. The rest is clear, professional.
+Why not the inversed star on the "i" _ and _ a "M" in form of penguin 
+foot, like in an another proposal ?
+
+
+If you let crescent on this logo and if you adopt this logo, you can 
+just be sure that no government will use the distribution. Don't forget 
+that, as a french distro, Mandriva was (is) used by french army today, 
+and taxes ministery. They have to do care to not use to easily signed 
+tools in their materials.
+
+I say : Too similar religious signs in logo are dangerous for the future 
+of Mageia.
+
+
+FR (EN up) :
+
+Ce n'est pas vraiment une hyper-correction, si plusieurs personnes 
+pensant la même chose.
+
+C'était aussi ma première interprétation ...
+
+Nous avons déjà une étoile dans le logo (comme Mao / drapeaux Lénine 
+USA-UE / ;-)) ... Est-ce vraiment une bonne idée d'avoir un logo comme 
+les drapeaux du Pakistan ou de la Turquie?
+http://www.fepef.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/600px-Flag_of_Pakistan_bordered.svg.png
+
+Un grand nombre de pavillon de pays (de culuture historique musulmane la 
+plupart du temps) ont le croissant et l'étoile parce que c'est un signe 
+religieux. Voulez-vous qu'un gars dise tout de suite quand il regarde le 
+logo: il s'agit d'un système d'exploitation musulman? Certainement pas. 
+Tout le monde doit être se reconnaître dans ce logo, dans cette 
+distribution linux ... non seulement une partie.
+
+J'aime vraiment ce logo, mais seulement la version sans le croissant de 
+lune. Sans cela, il reste clair et professionnel.
+Pourquoi ne pas garder l'étoile inversée sur le "i" _ _ et un "M" en 
+forme de pied de manchots, comme dans une autre proposition ?
+
+Si vous laissez le croissant sur ce logo et si vous adoptez ce logo, 
+vous pouvez juste être sûr qu'aucun gouvernement ne va utiliser la 
+distribution. Ne pas oublier que, en temps que distribution française, 
+Mandriva a été (est) utilisé(e) par l'armée française d'aujourd'hui, et 
+le ministère des impôts. Ils doivent faire attention à ne pas utiliser à 
+des outils portant des signes ostentatoires.
+
+Je dis: Trop de signes apparentables à des signes religieux dans le logo 
+sont dangereux pour l'avenir de Mageia.
+
+
+
+> LoL ! Everything can be mis-interpreted. Please don't fall into a
+> hyper-correctness.
+>
+
+
+ + + +
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[Mageia-discuss] Translation -structure

+ Oliver Burger + oliver.bgr at googlemail.com +
+ Tue Sep 28 17:10:35 CEST 2010 +

+
+ +
Miguel <cullero at gmail.com> schrieb am 2010-09-28
+> In my humble opinion, having SimplePo in a centralized server made the
+> translation and revision processes much faster. In just a couple of
+> moths, the Spanish team reached the top-10 in the list:
+If I had enough people (let's say 5 to 6) I could have done the same with the 
+German translation using svn, poedit/lokalize.
+
+And if everyone just commits his translations as soon as he finishes them and 
+everyone checks the po-files out before he starts, you don't have the problem 
+of different local po files.
+And with a little communication you can devide the tasks quite fine between the 
+translators.
+
+But I have one technical question: Is this a web tool you are using there? 
+Because I wouldn't want some purely webbased infrastructure. There are quite 
+some times, in which you would have time to translate but no internet 
+connection (longer travels by train,...)
+
+And: vcs systems are normally quite good at merging files so even if more then 
+one translator does work on the sam po file at the same time, it is solvable.
+
+Oliver
+
+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
+

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[Mageia-discuss] Translation -structure

+ Wolfgang Bornath + molch.b at googlemail.com +
+ Tue Sep 28 17:10:11 CEST 2010 +

+
+ +
Could we please close this thread here and commence in the i18n list?
+
+It is very inefficient this way because some reply to the i18n list,
+some reply here.
+I will write my replies on the i18n list, starting now.
+
+wobo
+
+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
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[Mageia-discuss] Other logo proposal

+ andré + andr55 at laposte.net +
+ Tue Sep 28 17:13:40 CEST 2010 +

+
+ +
Binary Trance a écrit :
+> Hi Wayne
+>
+> 2010/9/28 Wayne Sallee <Wayne at waynesallee.com 
+> <mailto:Wayne at waynesallee.com>>
+>
+>     I think it's too large of a logo (when you include all the lines),
+>     and it's too hard to understand the name.
+>     The line pattern might make a good desktop design.
+>
+>
+> I just another proposal no more no less, the idea was thinking on a 
+> bootsplash concept, and the logo precisely
+> runs on transgession of the interpretation of the name :) its 
+> absolutely intentional :)
+>
+> anyway theres a lot of option, and as i said, just for the pleasrure 
+> for share things...
+that's why we're all here :)
+>
+>         http://mageia.posterous.com/my-first-post-and-logo-proposal
+>
+>         Namaste
+>         Pablo Barrera
+>
+It looks really nice for a splash screen ...
+The colours are really nice too.
+Some suggestions ...
+For a logo, how about just taking the "mageia / linux as in freedom" part.
+To make it more readable, drop the G to its normal vertical position 
+(with descender). The G and E can still be mirror images, although I 
+would make them closer to a traditional E, and corresponding traditional 
+G form.  (That is, a G with an open descender.)  The E would still be 
+oversized, but that would be part of its charme.
+Like that, "linux" would have to be to the left of the G, "as in 
+freedom" to the right.
+So that could be the full logo.
+Dropping "linux" and "as in freedom" could be a reduced logo.
+And including only the stylised GE could be the icon version.
+All versions would still look good in black and white, and would scale 
+nicely. (Following the Mageia logo guidelines.)
+
+Please try it, I'd like to see if it would really work.
+Good luck :)
+
+my 2 cents
+- andré
+
+ + + + + + + + +
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[Mageia-discuss] Other logo proposal

+ Binary Trance + binarytrance at gmail.com +
+ Tue Sep 28 17:24:25 CEST 2010 +

+
+ +
Hi André
+
+2010/9/28 andré <andr55 at laposte.net>
+
+>
+> Please try it, I'd like to see if it would really work.
+> Good luck :)
+>
+> my 2 cents
+> - andré
+>
+thanks for the feedback, i have the workstation on my house, so i will make
+the try this night :)
+
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[Mageia-discuss] who knows about site mageia-br?

+ Wolfgang Bornath + molch.b at googlemail.com +
+ Tue Sep 28 17:26:53 CEST 2010 +

+
+ +
2010/9/28 Ahmad Samir <ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com>:
+>
+> Gmail doesn't do proper message threading like other email clients who
+> do it properly e.g. thunderbird or evolution.
+
+Oh, really? I did not know that.
+
+So I repeat my earlier question what to do:
+
+1. I'm switching computers more than once a day. I do not have
+installation access to all of those, so using IMAP and installing a
+client with my access data on all machines I use is not an option.
+
+2. I'm travelling and sometimes I have to use internet cafés for net
+access. I can't use the machines there to access my IMAP account.
+
+3. Over the last year I switched all my mail accounts to be gathered
+at Googlemail, because of the reasons I mentioned above.
+
+I do not want to break threads and I want to follow the lists, so, any
+good advices what I can do?
+
+ + + + + + + + + +
+

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[Mageia-discuss] who knows about site mageia-br?

+ Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli + giampaoli.gustavo at gmail.com +
+ Tue Sep 28 17:35:06 CEST 2010 +

+
+ +
> I do not want to break threads and I want to follow the lists, so, any
+> good advices what I can do?
+
+You could use web GMail always. It works fine for me. But it's
+because, as you, I user different machines. So I'd like to see always
+the same. I use web GMail  only.
+
+Cheers!
+
+
+Gustavo Giampaoli (aka tavillo1980)
+
+ + + + + + + + + +
+

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[Mageia-discuss] who knows about site mageia-br?

+ Wolfgang Bornath + molch.b at googlemail.com +
+ Tue Sep 28 17:40:00 CEST 2010 +

+
+ +
2010/9/28 Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli <giampaoli.gustavo at gmail.com>:
+>> I do not want to break threads and I want to follow the lists, so, any
+>> good advices what I can do?
+>
+> You could use web GMail always. It works fine for me. But it's
+> because, as you, I user different machines. So I'd like to see always
+> the same. I use web GMail  only.
+
+That's what I've been doing for the time being but then I read that
+Gmail breaks threads and limits the length of a thread, as Ahmad Sahir
+wrote. :(
+
+ + + + + + + + + +
+

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[Mageia-discuss] who knows about site mageia-br?

+ Sander Lepik + sander.lepik at eesti.ee +
+ Tue Sep 28 18:21:00 CEST 2010 +

+
+ +
 28.09.2010 18:40, Wolfgang Bornath kirjutas:
+> That's what I've been doing for the time being but then I read that
+> Gmail breaks threads and limits the length of a thread, as Ahmad Sahir
+> wrote. :(
+You can always use Gmail over IMAP with Thunderbird (or with some other client).
+
+--
+Sander
+
+ + + + + + + + + + +
+

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[Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia

+ atilla ontas + tarakbumba at gmail.com +
+ Tue Sep 28 18:40:05 CEST 2010 +

+
+ +
2010/9/28 Lucien-Henry Horvath <tempo2 at marneau.eu>:
+> EN (FR dessous) :
+>
+> It is not realy hyper-correctness if several person thinking the same.
+>
+> It was my first interpretation too ...
+>
+> We have already a star in the logo (like Mao / Lenin / US-EU flags ;-) ) ...
+> Is it realy a good idea to finish have a similar "Pakistan or Turkey Flag" ?
+> http://www.fepef.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/600px-Flag_of_Pakistan_bordered.svg.png
+>
+> A lot of flag of countries (with muslim history the most time) have crescent
+> and star because it is a religious sign. Do you want a guys said immediatly
+> when he look the logo : this is a muslim operating system ? Certainly not.
+> All the world must be recognize him in this logo, in this linux distribution
+> ... not only a part.
+>
+> I like realy this logo but only the version without the crescent of moon.
+> The rest is clear, professional.
+> Why not the inversed star on the "i" _ and _ a "M" in form of penguin foot,
+> like in an another proposal ?
+>
+>
+> If you let crescent on this logo and if you adopt this logo, you can just be
+> sure that no government will use the distribution. Don't forget that, as a
+> french distro, Mandriva was (is) used by french army today, and taxes
+> ministery. They have to do care to not use to easily signed tools in their
+> materials.
+>
+> I say : Too similar religious signs in logo are dangerous for the future of
+> Mageia.
+>
+>
+> FR (EN up) :
+>
+> Ce n'est pas vraiment une hyper-correction, si plusieurs personnes pensant
+> la même chose.
+>
+> C'était aussi ma première interprétation ...
+>
+> Nous avons déjà une étoile dans le logo (comme Mao / drapeaux Lénine USA-UE
+> / ;-)) ... Est-ce vraiment une bonne idée d'avoir un logo comme les drapeaux
+> du Pakistan ou de la Turquie?
+> http://www.fepef.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/600px-Flag_of_Pakistan_bordered.svg.png
+>
+> Un grand nombre de pavillon de pays (de culuture historique musulmane la
+> plupart du temps) ont le croissant et l'étoile parce que c'est un signe
+> religieux. Voulez-vous qu'un gars dise tout de suite quand il regarde le
+> logo: il s'agit d'un système d'exploitation musulman? Certainement pas. Tout
+> le monde doit être se reconnaître dans ce logo, dans cette distribution
+> linux ... non seulement une partie.
+>
+> J'aime vraiment ce logo, mais seulement la version sans le croissant de
+> lune. Sans cela, il reste clair et professionnel.
+> Pourquoi ne pas garder l'étoile inversée sur le "i" _ _ et un "M" en forme
+> de pied de manchots, comme dans une autre proposition ?
+>
+> Si vous laissez le croissant sur ce logo et si vous adoptez ce logo, vous
+> pouvez juste être sûr qu'aucun gouvernement ne va utiliser la distribution.
+> Ne pas oublier que, en temps que distribution française, Mandriva a été
+> (est) utilisé(e) par l'armée française d'aujourd'hui, et le ministère des
+> impôts. Ils doivent faire attention à ne pas utiliser à des outils portant
+> des signes ostentatoires.
+>
+> Je dis: Trop de signes apparentables à des signes religieux dans le logo
+> sont dangereux pour l'avenir de Mageia.
+>
+>
+>
+>> LoL ! Everything can be mis-interpreted. Please don't fall into a
+>> hyper-correctness.
+>>
+>
+>
+
+A correction. Turkish flag is not religional sign but a historical
+fact. Moon and star founded in a war while Sultan Selim III ruled
+Ottoman Empire. The moon and star reflected on blood of dead Turkish
+soldiers and it excited others. That's why Turkish flag is moon and
+star on a red surface.
+
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[Mageia-discuss] who knows about site mageia-br?

+ Ahmad Samir + ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com +
+ Tue Sep 28 18:42:21 CEST 2010 +

+
+ +
On 28 September 2010 18:26, Wolfgang Bornath <molch.b at googlemail.com> wrote:
+> 2010/9/28 Ahmad Samir <ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com>:
+>>
+>> Gmail doesn't do proper message threading like other email clients who
+>> do it properly e.g. thunderbird or evolution.
+>
+> Oh, really? I did not know that.
+>
+> So I repeat my earlier question what to do:
+>
+> 1. I'm switching computers more than once a day. I do not have
+> installation access to all of those, so using IMAP and installing a
+> client with my access data on all machines I use is not an option.
+>
+> 2. I'm travelling and sometimes I have to use internet cafés for net
+> access. I can't use the machines there to access my IMAP account.
+>
+> 3. Over the last year I switched all my mail accounts to be gathered
+> at Googlemail, because of the reasons I mentioned above.
+>
+> I do not want to break threads and I want to follow the lists, so, any
+> good advices what I can do?
+>
+
+No, I think I wasn't clear enough (sorry about that).
+
+Go on using gmail like you do; I've been using it with all the
+Mandriva ML's for the past 1-2years (web mail via firefox, I didn't
+use any email clients) and I didn't get any complaints of breaking
+threads when I post/reply to the ML(s).
+
+You see, when sending emails gmail does send the message headers and
+everything properly.
+
+Gmail differs in just how it *groups* the received emails in threads
+(called conversations in the gmail world). The example I gave, about
+the bugs mailing list, is a good one, when the subject line changes
+gmail splits the thread (when you reply to an ML thread you're not
+changing the subject line); an email client would be more thorough and
+see that it's the same thread even though one word changed in the
+subject line (bugzilla adds the keyword to the subject line, e.g.
+NEEDINFO). But that's probably a corner case.
+
+FWIW, I've never used gmane, I subscribe to the various mailing lists
+directly. Also note that you haven't broken any threads with all the
+emails you sent up till now ;)
+
+-- 
+Ahmad Samir
+
+ + + + + + + + + + + +
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[Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia

+ Hoyt Duff + hoytduff at gmail.com +
+ Tue Sep 28 18:48:05 CEST 2010 +

+
+ +
On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 12:40 PM, atilla ontas <tarakbumba at gmail.com> wrote:
+
+>
+> A correction. Turkish flag is not religional sign but a historical
+> fact. Moon and star founded in a war while Sultan Selim III ruled
+> Ottoman Empire. The moon and star reflected on blood of dead Turkish
+> soldiers and it excited others. That's why Turkish flag is moon and
+> star on a red surface.
+>
+
+Yes, but zealots of any stripe tend to not allow facts to contravene
+their beliefs.
+
+But th curve is nice. Perhaps it can be divided vertically and given a
+Mobius twist?
+
+And a Mobius-like symbol might better represent the ideals of Linux:
+fundamental, enigmatic, unending
+
+-- 
+Hoyt
+
+ + +
+

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[Mageia-discuss] Thread breaking ( Was: who knows about site mageia-br? )

+ Hoyt Duff + hoytduff at gmail.com +
+ Tue Sep 28 18:51:45 CEST 2010 +

+
+ +
On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 4:47 AM, Michael Scherer <misc at zarb.org> wrote:
+
+> May I suggest to people who sent such messages that they be a little bit
+> more friendly, and kindly explain what is a thread ( because not
+> everybody know this ), and how to not break them ?
+>
+> And by the way, such messages would better be sent in private IMHO, this
+>                      is not related to the list.
+> --
+> Michael Scherer
+>
+
+Agreed.
+
+There should also be an "official" page of message rules where those
+who love to enforce them can direct those who love to break them.
+
+-- 
+Hoyt
+
+ + + + + +
+

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[Mageia-discuss] who knows about site mageia-br?

+ andré + andr55 at laposte.net +
+ Tue Sep 28 18:52:35 CEST 2010 +

+
+ +
Wolfgang Bornath a écrit :
+> 2010/9/28 Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli<giampaoli.gustavo at gmail.com>:
+>    
+>>> I do not want to break threads and I want to follow the lists, so, any
+>>> good advices what I can do?
+>>>        
+>> You could use web GMail always. It works fine for me. But it's
+>> because, as you, I user different machines. So I'd like to see always
+>> the same. I use web GMail  only.
+>>      
+> That's what I've been doing for the time being but then I read that
+> Gmail breaks threads and limits the length of a thread, as Ahmad Sahir
+> wrote. :(
+>    
+The most critical point, as Ahmad said, is to never change the subject, 
+as Gmail will then start a new thread.
+Google also starts a new thread after 100 messages, but that is much 
+less of a problem.
+
+Note also that the default location for replies using Gmail by the web 
+is BEFORE the message being replied to.  To avoid "top-posting" 
+(replying before), please ensure that you insert your replies AFTER the 
+part you are replying to.  This makes it much easier for others to 
+follow the discussion, particularly if you are replying to multiple 
+parts of the same message.
+And of course, deleting parts of the message to which you are not 
+replying also helps others follow your point(s).
+- André :)
+
+ + + + + + +
+

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[Mageia-discuss] who knows about site mageia-br?

+ Ahmad Samir + ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com +
+ Tue Sep 28 19:01:35 CEST 2010 +

+
+ +
On 28 September 2010 19:52, andré <andr55 at laposte.net> wrote:
+> Wolfgang Bornath a écrit :
+>>
+>> 2010/9/28 Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli<giampaoli.gustavo at gmail.com>:
+>>
+>>>>
+>>>> I do not want to break threads and I want to follow the lists, so, any
+>>>> good advices what I can do?
+>>>>
+>>>
+>>> You could use web GMail always. It works fine for me. But it's
+>>> because, as you, I user different machines. So I'd like to see always
+>>> the same. I use web GMail  only.
+>>>
+>>
+>> That's what I've been doing for the time being but then I read that
+>> Gmail breaks threads and limits the length of a thread, as Ahmad Sahir
+>> wrote. :(
+>>
+>
+> The most critical point, as Ahmad said, is to never change the subject, as
+> Gmail will then start a new thread.
+> Google also starts a new thread after 100 messages, but that is much less of
+> a problem.
+>
+> Note also that the default location for replies using Gmail by the web is
+> BEFORE the message being replied to.  To avoid "top-posting" (replying
+> before), please ensure that you insert your replies AFTER the part you are
+> replying to.  This makes it much easier for others to follow the discussion,
+> particularly if you are replying to multiple parts of the same message.
+> And of course, deleting parts of the message to which you are not replying
+> also helps others follow your point(s).
+> - André :)
+>
+
+Come on, I already know how to avoid top-posting (by not posting when
+I am on the roof (the top) of the house). :D (kidding).
+
+Yes, gmail doesn't give an option to default to bottom-posting but
+that just means a couple of extra mouse scrolls to bottom-post
+manually.
+
+-- 
+Ahmad Samir
+
+ + + + + + +
+

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[Mageia-discuss] who knows about site mageia-br?

+ Hoyt Duff + hoytduff at gmail.com +
+ Tue Sep 28 19:17:36 CEST 2010 +

+
+ +
On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 1:01 PM, Ahmad Samir <ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com> wrote:
+
+
+>
+> Yes, gmail doesn't give an option to default to bottom-posting but
+> that just means a couple of extra mouse scrolls to bottom-post
+> manually.
+>
+
+There was an add-on to force bottom posting; I'm surprised that GMail
+does not offer hat opton.
+
+I use GMail because I routinely use multiple computers, not all of
+which are mine or are Linux.
+
+-- 
+Hoyt
+
+ + + + + +
+

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[Mageia-discuss] Help about gmane and broken threads

+ Maurice Batey + maurice at bcs.org.uk +
+ Tue Sep 28 18:18:35 CEST 2010 +

+
+ +
On Tue, 28 Sep 2010 08:05:31 -0400, Luan Pham wrote:
+
+> What usernet group to used in Gname.
+
+   E.g. gmane.linux.mageia.devel
+         gmane.linux.mageia.user
+
+(If your news reader has a 'show all groups' facility with a filter
+option, just type 'mageia' into the filter line.)
+
+-- 
+/\/\aurice 
+	
+
+
+ + +
+

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[Mageia-discuss] Package management system

+ Eden Caldas + eden at linuxfacil.org +
+ Tue Sep 28 19:45:30 CEST 2010 +

+
+ +
Sorry if its been asked already.
+
+What will be the package management system? apt? yum? keep urpmi
+(nooooooooooooooooo!) ?
+
+Eden Caldas
+Consultor de TI
+eden at linuxfacil.srv.br
+(81) 9653 7220
+LINUX FÁCIL – Consultoria e Serviços em TI
+
+ + + + + + +
+

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[Mageia-discuss] Package management system

+ Sandro Cazzaniga + cazzaniga.sandro at gmail.com +
+ Tue Sep 28 19:49:50 CEST 2010 +

+
+ +
Le Tue, 28 Sep 2010 14:45:30 -0300,
+Eden Caldas <eden at linuxfacil.org> a écrit :
+
+> What will be the package management system? apt? yum? keep urpmi
+> (nooooooooooooooooo!) 
+Like in mandriva: urpmi (mageia is a mandriva's fork)
+
+-- 
+Sandro Cazzaniga
+Bashburn hacker (http://bashburn.dose.se/)
+Mageia Contributor (http://www.mageia.org/fr/)
+Serial Blogger (http://twitter.com/Kharec)
+Developer (Perl, Bash, C)
+Vice President, secretary and member of CA of Alolise
+(http://www.alolise.org)
+
+ + + + + + +
+

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[Mageia-discuss] Package management system

+ Renaud MICHEL + r.h.michel+mageia at gmail.com +
+ Tue Sep 28 19:51:28 CEST 2010 +

+
+ +
On mardi 28 septembre 2010 at 19:45, Eden Caldas wrote :
+> Sorry if its been asked already.
+(yes it has been, just yesterday, search the archive)
+> What will be the package management system? apt? yum? keep urpmi
+> (nooooooooooooooooo!) ?
+
+urpmi is great, so there is no reason to change.
+
+-- 
+Renaud Michel
+
+ + + + + + +
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[Mageia-discuss] Package management system

+ yvan munoz + mr.yvan.munoz at gmail.com +
+ Tue Sep 28 19:56:38 CEST 2010 +

+
+ +
2010/9/28 Eden Caldas <eden at linuxfacil.org>
+
+> Sorry if its been asked already.
+>
+>
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[Mageia-discuss] Package management system

+ nicolas vigier + boklm at mars-attacks.org +
+ Tue Sep 28 20:02:42 CEST 2010 +

+
+ +
On Tue, 28 Sep 2010, Eden Caldas wrote:
+
+> Sorry if its been asked already.
+> 
+> What will be the package management system? apt? yum? keep urpmi
+> (nooooooooooooooooo!) ?
+
+It's a Mandriva fork, we keep what is in Mandriva. The plan is to have
+a new release ready as soon as possible, not to make big changes which
+will add a lot of delays.
+
+Nicolas 
+
+
+ + + + + + +
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[Mageia-discuss] Package management system

+ Michael Scherer + misc at zarb.org +
+ Tue Sep 28 20:11:33 CEST 2010 +

+
+ +
Le mardi 28 septembre 2010 à 20:02 +0200, nicolas vigier a écrit :
+> On Tue, 28 Sep 2010, Eden Caldas wrote:
+> 
+> > Sorry if its been asked already.
+> > 
+> > What will be the package management system? apt? yum? keep urpmi
+> > (nooooooooooooooooo!) ?
+> 
+> It's a Mandriva fork, we keep what is in Mandriva. The plan is to have
+> a new release ready as soon as possible, not to make big changes which
+> will add a lot of delays.
+
+to be fair, yum is already in the repository, so does smart.
+Apt-rpm is unmaintained, but if someone does the job of taking care of
+it, it could also be.
+
+And we also have poldek too, not sure about the status of this one.
+
+So, for people who are not happy with the default, do not hesitate to
+test others packages managers and report issues ( for example, yum does
+requires specific indexes that we do not provides at mandriva, but we
+could add them if required, i guess ).
+
+-- 
+Michael Scherer
+
+
+ + + + + + +
+

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[Mageia-discuss] Other logo proposal

+ Dale Huckeby + spock at evansville.net +
+ Tue Sep 28 20:22:09 CEST 2010 +

+
+ +
On Tue, 28 Sep 2010, Wayne Sallee wrote:
+
+> # Post did not go through; resending.
+> 
+> Yea, I think the design looks good for boot splash, other than the name being hard to read.
+
+Please don't top post.
+
+THX,
+Dale Huckeby
+
+ + + +
+

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[Mageia-discuss] Package management system

+ Thomas Lottmann + skiperdrake at gmail.com +
+ Tue Sep 28 20:34:09 CEST 2010 +

+
+ +
>
+> Le mardi 28 septembre 2010 à 20:02 +0200, nicolas vigier a écrit :
+>    
+> to be fair, yum is already in the repository, so does smart.
+> Apt-rpm is unmaintained, but if someone does the job of taking care of
+> it, it could also be.
+>
+> And we also have poldek too, not sure about the status of this one.
+>
+> So, for people who are not happy with the default, do not hesitate to
+> test others packages managers and report issues ( for example, yum does
+> requires specific indexes that we do not provides at mandriva, but we
+> could add them if required, i guess ).
+>    
+
+As you have just brought up Smart here, I did remember about it and 
+though about this.
+
+Some time ago, there was an employees from MandrakeSoft who was working 
+on Smart and developping it just like RPMDrake has been developped up to 
+now. Yet, back to the previous cost cutting plans the company already 
+did, it was decided to only keep RPMDrake as main package manager and 
+the employee working on Smart was fired, even though Smart was very 
+popular at that time.
+
+Since then, looking at Smart's GUI, it looks like it has not been 
+significantly improved since a long time. Lookign in the package's 
+history, the fixes show it is maintained only to prevent it from being 
+broken.
+
+I know there are several people who are not satisfied with RPMDrake, 
+this because they prefer to have a package manager with a different 
+philosophy or other kind if conception. I believe Smart could then be 
+improved both in text and GUI if people are encouraged to develop and 
+work on it. It could offer yet another approach then for package 
+management.
+
+Yet, there will have also to be a lot of work on the DrakXtools as well, 
+but helping Smart regaining some useful evolution might not be bad for 
+people who want a more technically evolved package manager than 
+RPMDrake, or something different. At least, I think it would make more 
+sense to focus on both RPMDrake and Smart rather than asking for 
+Synaptics or others.
+
+This is just a proposal, as I know it is still appreciated and was 
+actively developped in the past. But if I got something wrong, please 
+fix me then. :-)
+
+Skiper
+
+ + + + + +
+

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[Mageia-discuss] Package management system

+ Michael Scherer + misc at zarb.org +
+ Tue Sep 28 20:54:35 CEST 2010 +

+
+ +
Le mardi 28 septembre 2010 à 20:34 +0200, Thomas Lottmann a écrit :
+
+> As you have just brought up Smart here, I did remember about it and 
+> though about this.
+> 
+> Some time ago, there was an employees from MandrakeSoft who was working 
+> on Smart and developping it just like RPMDrake has been developped up to 
+> now. Yet, back to the previous cost cutting plans the company already 
+> did, it was decided to only keep RPMDrake as main package manager and 
+> the employee working on Smart was fired, even though Smart was very 
+> popular at that time.
+
+No.
+The guy you speak about is Gustavo Niemeyer, and he was not fired, he
+left for Canonical after being approached during Europython in 2006. He
+didn't worked long for Mandriva.
+
+There was some discussions of using smart on Ubuntu too, but Gustavo was
+assigned to work on landscape and storm
+( http://jamwow.wordpress.com/2010/09/27/my-work-at-canonical/ ).
+Someone from Canonical told me the orm ( ie storm ) was written for
+landscape and later launchpad was ported on it after storm was published
+as "launchpad orm" ( but they couldn't speak of Landscape at that
+time ).
+
+Now, he is working on openstack, afaik.
+
+And well, while smart was new and shiny with original features, I think
+"being popular" is a overstatement. Smart gui is clearly inspired by
+synaptics, and is a little bit too powerful and complex ( and a little
+bit buggy, I fill 4 bugs in 15 minutes of test :/ in that time ). 
+
+
+
+-- 
+Michael Scherer
+
+
+ + + + + + +
+

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[Mageia-discuss] correct donation details

+ Dick Gevers + dvgevers at xs4all.nl +
+ Tue Sep 28 21:01:49 CEST 2010 +

+
+ +
It is only minor, but when I send a donation via bank transfer, the name
+that I can enter can be no longer than:
+
+'ASSO UTILISATEURS FRANCOPHON MAN'
+
+(I copy/pasted into my bank application).
+
+Moreover, the IBAN was judged invalid due to the spaces in the number. Only
+when the spaces were removed did my bank accept it.
+
+Perhaps it might be wise to take this stuff into account. No doubt this
+might work differently when you use another bank than I did, but this
+is what I found.
+
+Best regards,
+=Dick Gevers=
+
+ + + + + + + + + + +
+

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[Mageia-discuss] correct donation details

+ Maât + maat-ml at vilarem.net +
+ Tue Sep 28 21:24:21 CEST 2010 +

+
+ +
Le 28/09/2010 21:01, Dick Gevers a écrit :
+> It is only minor, but when I send a donation via bank transfer, the name
+> that I can enter can be no longer than:
+>
+> 'ASSO UTILISATEURS FRANCOPHON MAN'
+>
+> (I copy/pasted into my bank application).
+>
+> Moreover, the IBAN was judged invalid due to the spaces in the number. Only
+> when the spaces were removed did my bank accept it.
+>
+> Perhaps it might be wise to take this stuff into account. No doubt this
+> might work differently when you use another bank than I did, but this
+> is what I found.
+>
+> Best regards,
+> =Dick Gevers=
+>   
+Hi,
+
+Thanks for the report.
+
+If you use bank web application many of them are very minimalistic
+
+The model we gave on he website is the complete one thought to be used
+through fax or direct demand.
+
+If you use you bank e-form transfer order (as i do) you need to adapt to
+your bank limitations, ie often :
+
+=> Using shorter name for receiver label
+=> Removing spaces for IBAN
+=> Shortening Mention to 30 or 50 chars
+
+It's very limitative but very few banks (afaik) made the effort to
+provide a correct order e-form.
+
+I found this rather rude too :-(
+
+Maât
+
+
+
+ + + + + + + + + + +
+

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[Mageia-discuss] Package management system

+ yvan munoz + mr.yvan.munoz at gmail.com +
+ Tue Sep 28 21:50:48 CEST 2010 +

+
+ +
I dont' know what is *the* best tool, and i dont i know if it have *a* best
+than others.
+
+
+I just hope that beyond the tool, it should change, the same quality on the
+dependency tree will be present. And in both senses of the tree.
+it's hard to find an example that does not require the troll, but for
+example I find it regrettable that uninstalling a package gtk entails
+uninstalling the core underneath, especially as this core is used by an
+application qt (no name) Or I do not like the tool I propose to install the
+world as it is just necessary to install three libraries (no name).
+
+Beyond the tool, I hope that the quality of management of dependencies will
+be preserved
+
+My two cents.
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[Mageia-discuss] Modern Simplistic Logo Proposal

+ Rory Albertyn + rory.a at radiantnet.co.za +
+ Tue Sep 28 22:07:13 CEST 2010 +

+
+ +
Hi all,
+
+We took a fresh modern simplistic look to the idea of a new logo. Items 
+such as colour and font should have just as much meaning as the logo 
+design itself. After a short bit of research, I was informed dark red is 
+synonymous with a Mage(magician) in keeping with the Mageia slogan.
+
+Every aspect of application was taken into consideration, such as logo's 
+banners, CD labels, t-shirts, business cards, favicons, link buttons, 
+menu icons and such. These needed to work in multiple resolutions (as 
+stated in the outlines on the website). Below is two examples of what 
+have come to mind. Please take time to look and give your opinion. I 
+feel very strong that such designs be a collaborative work of all 
+involved. A 'one design fits all' approach.
+
+The colours, font, shape and proportions are not absolute and can be 
+adjusted accordingly.
+
+http://www.mageia-za.org/mageia.jpg
+
+http://www.mageia-za.org/mageia2.jpg
+
+
+
+~ Rory Albertyn (Gripen on Freenode)
+
+ + + + + + + + + +
+

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[Mageia-discuss] Package management system

+ Thomas Lottmann + skiperdrake at gmail.com +
+ Tue Sep 28 22:20:53 CEST 2010 +

+
+ +
Le 28/09/2010 20:54, Michael Scherer a écrit :
+> Le mardi 28 septembre 2010 à 20:34 +0200, Thomas Lottmann a écrit :
+>    
+>> As you have just brought up Smart here, I did remember about it and
+>> though about this.
+>>
+>> Some time ago, there was an employees from MandrakeSoft who was working
+>> on Smart and developping it just like RPMDrake has been developped up to
+>> now. Yet, back to the previous cost cutting plans the company already
+>> did, it was decided to only keep RPMDrake as main package manager and
+>> the employee working on Smart was fired, even though Smart was very
+>> popular at that time.
+>>      
+> No.
+> The guy you speak about is Gustavo Niemeyer, and he was not fired, he
+> left for Canonical after being approached during Europython in 2006. He
+> didn't worked long for Mandriva.
+>    
+
+Okay, so my brain badly registered the explanations I got from that 
+story. All my excuses...
+
+/me thinks of updating his brain's hardware conf to avoid this kind of 
+stuff...
+
+> There was some discussions of using smart on Ubuntu too, but Gustavo was
+> assigned to work on landscape and storm
+> ( http://jamwow.wordpress.com/2010/09/27/my-work-at-canonical/ ).
+> Someone from Canonical told me the orm ( ie storm ) was written for
+> landscape and later launchpad was ported on it after storm was published
+> as "launchpad orm" ( but they couldn't speak of Landscape at that
+> time ).
+>
+> Now, he is working on openstack, afaik.
+>
+> And well, while smart was new and shiny with original features, I think
+> "being popular" is a overstatement. Smart gui is clearly inspired by
+> synaptics, and is a little bit too powerful and complex ( and a little
+> bit buggy, I fill 4 bugs in 15 minutes of test :/ in that time ).
+>    
+
+Thank you for retelling the sotry properly, I was not yet on Linux at 
+that time. But I am still quite sure Smart was appreciated for a few 
+points, not remembering them...
+
+As the GUI tool is bugged and, on my computer, apparently unusable, is 
+it worth fixing it, maintain it, and eventually improve it? I mean, 
+there may be a potential in such a powerful tool.
+
+Nothing urgent in that though, just thinking about it since there was 
+this conversation.
+
+ + + + + + +
+

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[Mageia-discuss] Package management system

+ Richard + richard.j.walker at ntlworld.com +
+ Tue Sep 28 21:20:37 CEST 2010 +

+
+ +
On Tuesday 28 September 2010 19:34:09 Thomas Lottmann wrote:
+> > Le mardi 28 septembre 2010 à 20:02 +0200, nicolas vigier a écrit :
+> >
+> > So, for people who are not happy with the default, do not hesitate to
+> > test others packages managers and report issues ( for example, yum does
+> > requires specific indexes that we do not provides at mandriva, but we
+> > could add them if required, i guess ).
+>
+> ...[s]ince then, looking at Smart's GUI, it looks like it has not been
+> significantly improved since a long time. Lookign in the package's
+> history, the fixes show it is maintained only to prevent it from being
+> broken...
+>
+>... I know there are several people who are not satisfied with RPMDrake,
+> this because they prefer to have a package manager with a different
+> philosophy or other kind if conception. I believe Smart could then be
+> improved both in text and GUI if people are encouraged to develop and
+> work on it. It could offer yet another approach then for package
+> management.
+>
+>
+> Skiper
+
+I confess to a quite high level of ignorance about package managers, as I have 
+only ever known and used rpmdrake in its evolution since around 2000, but you 
+have both said things to make me think that some of the frustrations I have 
+experienced since 2008 Spring may be due to controllable features of the 
+package manager.
+
+The simplest analysis tells us that rpmdrake does its job admirably; point, 
+click and presto, your software is installed (OK, you may have to click a 
+couple more times to agree to the selected packages list).
+
+How much better could it possibly do this? What am I missing? You have both 
+mentioned alternatives, some of which I know by name, but in what way do apt, 
+yum or smart do this job any better?
+
+I realise that package managers are needed because humans have to add some 
+intelligence in the form of what libraries are needed to get a program to 
+run. I also know that sometimes humans get this badly wrong (try removing a 
+library that you know will never be used and ask yourself why rpmdrake wants 
+to remove over 200 packages with it!). Do other package managers manage to 
+avoid this embarassing and frustrating behaviour? or is it that it is just 
+easier to get it right with package types other than rpm?
+
+Richard
+
+ + + + + + +
+

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[Mageia-discuss] Modern Simplistic Logo Proposal

+ Hoyt Duff + hoytduff at gmail.com +
+ Tue Sep 28 22:25:30 CEST 2010 +

+
+ +
On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 4:07 PM, Rory Albertyn <rory.a at radiantnet.co.za> wrote:
+
+>
+> The colours, font, shape and proportions are not absolute and can be
+> adjusted accordingly.
+>
+> http://www.mageia-za.org/mageia.jpg
+>
+
+> ~ Rory Albertyn (Gripen on Freenode)
+>
+
+ very nice
+
+
+-- 
+Hoyt
+
+ + + + + + + +
+

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[Mageia-discuss] Package management system

+ Oliver Burger + oliver.bgr at googlemail.com +
+ Tue Sep 28 22:35:10 CEST 2010 +

+
+ +
Hi Thomas,
+
+this is not really an answer to you, you just wrote the last posting in this 
+threat...
+
+Thomas Lottmann <skiperdrake at gmail.com> schrieb am 2010-09-28
+> Thank you for retelling the sotry properly, I was not yet on Linux at
+> that time. But I am still quite sure Smart was appreciated for a few
+> points, not remembering them...
+That is the problem in this whole rpm vs. deb, urpmi vs. smart vs. apt, 
+rpmdrake vs. synaptic thread. Nobody has given any reasons for changing away 
+from rpm, urpmi and rpmdrake. And - working with many systems during my dayly 
+life, yum, zypper, urpmi, aptitude, I don't see one of them superior to any of 
+the others.
+At the company I'm working, we are using Debian-, OpenSuSE-, and CentOS-
+Servers as well as my Mandriva workstation. And I am doing administrative work 
+on all of them.
+None of those systems has anything that would make me change away from the one 
+I know best, which is Mandriva. So if nothing can give any technical reasons, 
+this whole debate is useless!
+
+Oliver
+
+ + + + +
+

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[Mageia-discuss] who knows about site mageia-br?

+ Maarten Vanraes + maarten.vanraes at gmail.com +
+ Tue Sep 28 22:16:02 CEST 2010 +

+
+ +
Op dinsdag 28 september 2010 18:42:21 schreef Ahmad Samir:
+[...]
+> Go on using gmail like you do; I've been using it with all the
+> Mandriva ML's for the past 1-2years (web mail via firefox, I didn't
+> use any email clients) and I didn't get any complaints of breaking
+> threads when I post/reply to the ML(s).
+> 
+> You see, when sending emails gmail does send the message headers and
+> everything properly.
+> 
+> Gmail differs in just how it *groups* the received emails in threads
+> (called conversations in the gmail world). The example I gave, about
+> the bugs mailing list, is a good one, when the subject line changes
+> gmail splits the thread (when you reply to an ML thread you're not
+> changing the subject line); an email client would be more thorough and
+> see that it's the same thread even though one word changed in the
+> subject line (bugzilla adds the keyword to the subject line, e.g.
+> NEEDINFO). But that's probably a corner case.
+[...]
+
+Not to mention that if you're using gmail and you send an email to a mailing 
+list, you never know if it was delivered or not, because the mail you send is 
+the start of the conversation, you never get your own email. If you'd use IMAP 
+on gmail accounts, you'd see it much clearer, because instead of 
+conversations, your sent email is in a Sent folder. (which sometimes leads to 
+double emails on the list)
+
+I can understand that webbased emails are the best solution for some people, 
+but it doesn't have to be gmail; noone is even saying you can't for example 
+install a squirrelmail or similar on your home-server. (it's an option)
+
+ + + +
+

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[Mageia-discuss] Modern Simplistic Logo Proposal

+ Adrian Marcinkowski + amfidiusz at gmail.com +
+ Tue Sep 28 23:06:39 CEST 2010 +

+
+ +
W dniu 2010-09-28 22:07, Rory Albertyn pisze:
+> http://www.mageia-za.org/mageia.jpg
+
+I do not like the font you used. It makes is difficult to read the name 
+(especially the 'e' letter) and since Mageia is a non-English word, we 
+should make the name visible at the first glance, without any doubts.
+Personally, I am (as are some other users) against using a decorated 'M' 
+letter as our logo. We can develop something better, more unique.
+
+And a general remark... As the logo group has been created on flickr, 
+could we keep and discuss all the projects over there? If every designer 
+presents his/her logo in a new thread, it will become messy and what's 
+worse, we're going to repeat the same arguments all over again. Once 
+we've got a go from the board, there will be time and place to discuss 
+all projects and vote for the best one.
+
+
+ + + + +
+

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[Mageia-discuss] Package management system

+ Michael Scherer + misc at zarb.org +
+ Tue Sep 28 23:21:08 CEST 2010 +

+
+ +
Le mardi 28 septembre 2010 à 20:20 +0100, Richard a écrit :
+
+> I confess to a quite high level of ignorance about package managers, as I have 
+> only ever known and used rpmdrake in its evolution since around 2000, but you 
+> have both said things to make me think that some of the frustrations I have 
+> experienced since 2008 Spring may be due to controllable features of the 
+> package manager.
+> 
+> The simplest analysis tells us that rpmdrake does its job admirably; point, 
+> click and presto, your software is installed (OK, you may have to click a 
+> couple more times to agree to the selected packages list).
+> 
+> How much better could it possibly do this? What am I missing? You have both 
+> mentioned alternatives, some of which I know by name, but in what way do apt, 
+> yum or smart do this job any better?
+
+Well, apt is likely to be faster, c++ may be the cause. 
+
+Smart is portable across type of repository. It also use a cleaner
+design or algorithm, according to his developer. Among nice features, it
+can draw graphs of the dependency, feature a command line shell or
+parallel downloads ( http://labix.org/smart/features )
+
+Yum is likely the more different of the 3. Yum has auto update feature
+( ie, it doesn't have a update command ) has a plugin infrastructure
+( who permit to extend the core in nice way ), and is still developped.
+
+
+Now, the "install package", "remove package" are basic features that all
+of them do. And I think that all packages managers are equal on that
+regard.
+
+> I realise that package managers are needed because humans have to add some 
+> intelligence in the form of what libraries are needed to get a program to 
+> run. I also know that sometimes humans get this badly wrong (try removing a 
+> library that you know will never be used and ask yourself why rpmdrake wants 
+> to remove over 200 packages with it!). Do other package managers manage to 
+> avoid this embarassing and frustrating behaviour? or is it that it is just 
+> easier to get it right with package types other than rpm?
+
+Nope, the problem is not linked to rpm or deb. If a library is needed,
+it is needed, that's simple. 
+
+A system like emerge or macports ( macports is also in contribs, afaik )
+may however reduce the required dependency, depending on the software.
+-- 
+Michael Scherer
+
+
+ + + +
+

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[Mageia-discuss] Other logo proposal

+ Sinner from the Prairy + sinnerbofh at gmail.com +
+ Tue Sep 28 16:11:45 CEST 2010 +

+
+ +
Wayne Sallee wrote:
+
+> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+> <html>
+
+
+Hi,
+
+Sending HTML email makes it very difficult to know what your opinions 
+are.
+
+Could you please send text-only email?
+
+Thank you in advance.
+
+
+Salut,
+Sinner
+-- 
+Sinner from the Prairy - http://sinnerbofh.blogspot.com/ -
+http://www.ibiblio.org/sinner/
+Linux User # 89976 - Visit BlogDrake:  http://blogdrake.net
+
+
+ + +
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