From 1be510f9529cb082f802408b472a77d074b394c0 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: Nicolas Vigier <boklm@mageia.org> Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2013 13:46:12 +0000 Subject: Add zarb MLs html archives --- zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20100925/001220.html | 133 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 1 file changed, 133 insertions(+) create mode 100644 zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20100925/001220.html (limited to 'zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20100925/001220.html') diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20100925/001220.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20100925/001220.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..7573634de --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20100925/001220.html @@ -0,0 +1,133 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Think%20about%20bugzilla%20monitoring%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C1285422101.26436.151.camel%40akroma.ephaone.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="001197.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="001250.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?</H1> + <B>Michael Scherer</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Think%20about%20bugzilla%20monitoring%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C1285422101.26436.151.camel%40akroma.ephaone.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?">misc at zarb.org + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Sep 25 15:41:41 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001197.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001250.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1220">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1220">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1220">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1220">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le samedi 25 septembre 2010 à 13:19 +0200, Wolfgang Bornath a écrit : +><i> 2010/9/25 Michael Scherer <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">misc at zarb.org</A>>: +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > So to conclude, as arrogant and elitist it will sound, the best way for +</I>><i> > everybody to have a bug fixed is to fix it yourself. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> This is neither arrogant nor elitist, it is logical thinking. But at +</I>><i> the same time it is unrealistic, as a lot of logical thinking is. :( +</I> +I didn't say the goal was attainable, I quite explicitly said the +contrary in fact :) + +><i> Only a small percentage of users is able to write a good bug report, +</I>><i> much less users would be able to squash the simplest of bugs (like +</I>><i> fixing a broken dependency in a package, broken by a typo of the +</I>><i> packager or similar). +</I> +Then we need to grow this number. And for us, the first step to grow it +requires us to think positively ( ie, say that users can, instead of +saying "no, most of them won't, so we should not bother them" ), and +maybe to prioritize about those who do the first step toward +contribution ( now, that should sound elitist ). + + +><i> As we have already said here we first need +</I>><i> people who help other people writing bug reports - this may be +</I>><i> possible for a certain percentage of users, for others it may not +</I>><i> because they may not care. +</I> +Indeed, helping would be a first step. + +It will not solve the problem soon, but we shouldn't be defeatist saying +"people will never be able to learn". Most of them can at least learn +enough to understand. Maybe not how to fix bugs. Maybe not how to report +bugs. But at least, they can learn why it take time, and why their bugs +are not fixed yet. + +A little bit of comprehension can surely do a lot to reduce frustration +as expressed by Juergen Harms. + +And some of them can become indeed contributors. + +I knew Nicolas Lecureil before he had any kind of alias on any kind of +project, and have seen how he learned all its way up from a non tech +related job and studies to become the kde chief we all know. + +He is the living proof this can happen. And he is not the only one in +our community. + +><i> What you are talking about is the user who is already committed to be +</I>><i> involved, the community which is discussing here and elsewhere. But +</I>><i> the majority of users, even in a free non-commercial environment, is +</I>><i> not out for an involvement, they want to use the software. +</I> +If the previous conclusion was not elitist and arrogant enough, this one +should do the trick : Just using free software is likely to not be +sustainable enough in the long term. + +Some people just want to use, that's fine. I also do. + +But I also know that I can because some others people gave their time to +make this happen. I know that not everybody want to give time to make +free software happen, because others things are more important for them +( family, other important causes, job, etc ), and that's fine too. + +But to me, there is difference between not caring by lack of time, and +not caring by ignorance. + +-- +Michael Scherer + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001197.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001250.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1220">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1220">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1220">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1220">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> -- cgit v1.2.1