[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums

Wed Sep 22 20:43:21 CEST 2010

2010/9/22 Michael Scherer <misc at zarb.org>:
+> Le mercredi 22 septembre 2010 à 04:32 +0200, Tux99 a écrit :
+>
+>> While I'm in no position to influence this, I believe that Mageia
+>> and it's community would greatly benefit if the Mageia devs would use a
+>> reserved section of the Mageia forum (a subforum where only devs can
+>> post) for cooker discussions rather than a mailing-list, since it would
+>> bring devs and users closer to each other and facilitate interaction.
+>
+> Well, no for several reasons:
+>
+> 1) a restricted forum is not really the spirit of openess I would see.
+> And a restricted forum would not be really a way to bring dev and
+> non-dev closer if this is restricted to dev. ( not to mention that the
+> simple existence of the idea "dev and users" is harmful, IMHO ).
+>
+> 2) forums are IMHO not adapted to the work:
+>
+> - depending on the forum, some will mark messages as read while you
+> didn't , fluxbb for example, and this is stressing ( at least, it does
+> stress me, since each time, I wonder if I forgot to read something
+> important or not )
+>
+> - you have to read the whole page to follow a thread, while evolution
+> allow me to mark just a subthread as read when I know it doesn't
+> interest me ( like thread about kde or nvidia driver on cooker )
+>
+> - you cannot have subthread, which basically make everything a mess
+>
+> - you cannot do any kind of filtering ( like some people do with gnus,
+> to highlight post with keyword )
+>
+> - you cannot cross post between forum ( which can be required when
+> specialized ml will appear )
+>
+> - you basically cannot automate much task ( like applying a patch for
+> git with git am )
+>
+> - you cannot read them offline ( in, when you commute, like what I do )
+>
+> - most of the time, you cannot read them on your phone ( see the commute
+> part )
+>
+> So basically, for my workflow, and I think I am not having a so uncommon
+> one among the  FOSS crowd, a forum is less adapted than a ML.
+>
+>
+> Regarding devs on forums, I have already expressed myself on cooker ml,
+> seek my name around august this year. Of course, I may appear like a ass
+> in theses mails,( maybe because I am one ), but I think that basically
+> changing the name of the project will not impact much my opinion, and
+> that still reflect my thoughts.
+>
+> Of course, some packagers will read forums, and some used it ( like
+> Nicolas Lecureil, Samuel Verschelde and likely others ) for various
+> task, but personally, I would prefer rely on people to help me by doing
+> the triaging, and let me focus on issues where I can be more useful for
+> everybody. I think this would scale more than asking every developer to
+> get on the forum.
+>
+> So while I do not want to actively ignore users, it must be clear that
+> not everybody will/can pass a significant time on forum. And well, while
+> reading is sufficient in theory, if you just read, people do not know
+> and feel neglected. But answering requires more time. For example, I
+> have devoted my full afternoon on reading -discuss and I have still many
+> mails to read and maybe to answer, so I really do not think I could cope
+> with a user forums.
+>
+> When you take a forum, you need to take one that can show "hot topic",
+> or something like that, ie think of infrequent readers that may want to
+> only have the more important discussion ( ie, a
+> packager/designer/coder/whatever that just pass from time to time ).
+>
+> --
+> Michael Scherer
+>
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+
+Sounds familiar.
+Said with a friendly voice :)
+
+wobo
+