[Mageia-discuss] [Cooker] Re: Transparency & open invitation to a united foundation..? [Was: forking mandriva]

Wed Sep 22 10:35:46 CEST 2010

+Le mercredi 22 septembre 2010 05:24:22, Olav Dahlum a écrit :
+> 
+>  On 21/09/10 20:46, Jostein Hauge wrote:
+> > Tysdag 21. september 2010 19.30.31 skreiv nicolas vigier:
+> >> On Tue, 21 Sep 2010, Romain d'Alverny wrote:
+> >>>> I still think that we must do it. In such a foundation, Mandriva (the
+> >>>> company) would be a voice among others.
+> >>> Well...
+> >>>
+> >>> >From my point of view (which I may share or not with many people from
+> >>>
+> >>> the pre-board team who can confirm/contradict me here):
+> >>>  1. I don't trust Mandriva existing and coming management, neither
+> >>>
+> >>> investors. Years spent over there as an employee, seeing things from
+> >>> the inside taught me that this company is, sadly, structurally broken,
+> >>> from the very top (investors) down to management and its practices -
+> >>> and for quite some time. Fixing it is an option, although very costly
+> >>> and requiring exceptionnal skills and commitment from management; I
+> >>> don't see this over there at this time.
+> >>>
+> >>>  2. Mandriva plans are non-existent at this time to me (yesterday's
+> >>>
+> >>> blog post is empty to me).
+> >> I completly agree with this.
+> >>
+> >> I don't want to have anything to do with current Mandriva management
+> >> anymore, I've lost any trust in them.
+> >>
+> >> Nicolas
+> >
+> > Please don't hold the Mandriva community hostage because of personal bad 
+> > feelings you might have about the Mandriva company. 
+> >
+> > If Laprévote invites to collaboration to make a foundation, then this should 
+> > be looked into regardless of your personal feelings. I think most of us would 
+> > love a solution like Fedora-Redhat.
+> >
+> > The name Mageia and the foundation might be kept. But what good does it make 
+> > to have a new Cooker, new build system or bugzilla? If collaboration between 
+> > Mandriva and Mageia is possible, then please collaborate.
+> >
+> > When someone reach out a hand, don't turn your back on it. Instead you could 
+> > indicate what you think would be needed in order to make collaboration 
+> > possible. Just saying 'no I wont collaborate at all' makes this look more like 
+> > a vendetta than a constructive initiative.
+> >
+> > Maybe this was a bit too harsh, but I guess you get the point :)
+> >
+> > - Jostein Hauge (jess)
+> > _______________________________________________
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+> 
+> Well, I will second to put aside certain differences for the benefit of
+> the community and create a stable environment in which we can work.
+> I see absolutely no problem with Mageia or Mandriva coexisting, and in
+> the process share as much infrastructure as possible to avoid doing it
+> all over again.
+> If we keep as much as we can of the infrastructure on community hands, I
+> think this is feasible to achieve and it will secure the feedback loop
+> into Mandriva we've missed from e.g PCLinuxOS. Also, a pure community
+> based distribution is a great idea, as we're not always having the same
+> goals as Mandriva S.A. Both would benefit from an arrangement like this.
+> The community (Mageia) could serve the regular users, taking care of
+> more personal needs and release a distro fitting these. And Mandriva
+> could concentrate on becoming a direct competitor to Canonical and
+> Redhat (possibly Novell or partners if they can work out the financial
+> situation) and gain real foothold in the enterprise/SMB market. One of
+> the prerequisites for this happen is of course that we acknowledge each
+> others existence and collaborate. Meaning, we will all aid in the common
+> development of Cooker, but be a completely independent entity from the
+> company, making our own (community) decisions. But will still keep the
+> good relations between us intact. So let's say Mandriva S.A funds (on of
+> the donators, etc) the foundation which creates Mageia and thus securing
+> their own interests through keeping the community alive, compensated for
+> their contributions (which is very important to remember!). We'll leave
+> if the situation is unsatisfactory (remember, we're highly independent
+> people) and if a FLOSS project lacks the community it's doomed, so
+> keeping us happy is the key to success. All this current pickering
+> between former employees and current ones is just stupid and will damage
+> both. So I say, let's call for a truce and work together in advocating
+> FLOSS software.
+> 
+
+I second that.
+
+Most agree that Mageia's destiny must now be in the hands of the community, and not depend on a company. Yes, but if said company is ready to act as a member of the community (like any of us but with maybe more means), and contribute to the project + do whatever it wants from the free distribution (corporate desktop, MDS, OEM products or anything else), then it's a win-win.
+
+And I pray again the former Edge-IT employees to avoid simply saying "I don't want to have anything to do with Mandriva", but rather the more nuanced "I don't want Mageia to depend on Mandriva" !
+
+Naïve point of view of mine ?
+
+Regards
+
+Samuel Verschelde
+
+