[Mageia-discuss] [Cooker] Re: Transparency & open invitation to a united foundation..? [Was: forking mandriva]

Wed Sep 22 05:24:22 CEST 2010

 On 21/09/10 20:46, Jostein Hauge wrote:
+> Tysdag 21. september 2010 19.30.31 skreiv nicolas vigier:
+>> On Tue, 21 Sep 2010, Romain d'Alverny wrote:
+>>>> I still think that we must do it. In such a foundation, Mandriva (the
+>>>> company) would be a voice among others.
+>>> Well...
+>>>
+>>> >From my point of view (which I may share or not with many people from
+>>>
+>>> the pre-board team who can confirm/contradict me here):
+>>>  1. I don't trust Mandriva existing and coming management, neither
+>>>
+>>> investors. Years spent over there as an employee, seeing things from
+>>> the inside taught me that this company is, sadly, structurally broken,
+>>> from the very top (investors) down to management and its practices -
+>>> and for quite some time. Fixing it is an option, although very costly
+>>> and requiring exceptionnal skills and commitment from management; I
+>>> don't see this over there at this time.
+>>>
+>>>  2. Mandriva plans are non-existent at this time to me (yesterday's
+>>>
+>>> blog post is empty to me).
+>> I completly agree with this.
+>>
+>> I don't want to have anything to do with current Mandriva management
+>> anymore, I've lost any trust in them.
+>>
+>> Nicolas
+>
+> Please don't hold the Mandriva community hostage because of personal bad 
+> feelings you might have about the Mandriva company. 
+>
+> If Laprévote invites to collaboration to make a foundation, then this should 
+> be looked into regardless of your personal feelings. I think most of us would 
+> love a solution like Fedora-Redhat.
+>
+> The name Mageia and the foundation might be kept. But what good does it make 
+> to have a new Cooker, new build system or bugzilla? If collaboration between 
+> Mandriva and Mageia is possible, then please collaborate.
+>
+> When someone reach out a hand, don't turn your back on it. Instead you could 
+> indicate what you think would be needed in order to make collaboration 
+> possible. Just saying 'no I wont collaborate at all' makes this look more like 
+> a vendetta than a constructive initiative.
+>
+> Maybe this was a bit too harsh, but I guess you get the point :)
+>
+> - Jostein Hauge (jess)
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+Well, I will second to put aside certain differences for the benefit of
+the community and create a stable environment in which we can work.
+I see absolutely no problem with Mageia or Mandriva coexisting, and in
+the process share as much infrastructure as possible to avoid doing it
+all over again.
+If we keep as much as we can of the infrastructure on community hands, I
+think this is feasible to achieve and it will secure the feedback loop
+into Mandriva we've missed from e.g PCLinuxOS. Also, a pure community
+based distribution is a great idea, as we're not always having the same
+goals as Mandriva S.A. Both would benefit from an arrangement like this.
+The community (Mageia) could serve the regular users, taking care of
+more personal needs and release a distro fitting these. And Mandriva
+could concentrate on becoming a direct competitor to Canonical and
+Redhat (possibly Novell or partners if they can work out the financial
+situation) and gain real foothold in the enterprise/SMB market. One of
+the prerequisites for this happen is of course that we acknowledge each
+others existence and collaborate. Meaning, we will all aid in the common
+development of Cooker, but be a completely independent entity from the
+company, making our own (community) decisions. But will still keep the
+good relations between us intact. So let's say Mandriva S.A funds (on of
+the donators, etc) the foundation which creates Mageia and thus securing
+their own interests through keeping the community alive, compensated for
+their contributions (which is very important to remember!). We'll leave
+if the situation is unsatisfactory (remember, we're highly independent
+people) and if a FLOSS project lacks the community it's doomed, so
+keeping us happy is the key to success. All this current pickering
+between former employees and current ones is just stupid and will damage
+both. So I say, let's call for a truce and work together in advocating
+FLOSS software.
+
+Sincerely,
+
+Olav Dahlum
+- Finding solutions to problems since last month..
+