[Mageia-discuss] [Cooker] Re: Transparency & open invitation to a united foundation..? [Was: forking mandriva]

Tue Sep 21 21:49:41 CEST 2010

2010/9/21 Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli <giampaoli.gustavo at gmail.com>:
+>> As a sign of good faith, they could maintain the primary servers and their related
+>> bandwidth.  Heck, if a foundation is established, it's a win-win for everybody.
+>> They save money by having what were paid staff now volunteering, and the
+>> community saves the expense of server farm hardware and rackspace and monthly
+>> bandwidth costs.
+>>
+>> Your thoughts?
+>
+> You will leave your newborn in the "hands" of the same company whose
+> lack of direction caused this situation?
+>
+> Maybe I'm a "little" paranoid, but i think we should listen
+> ex-employes / developers. They know the sh*t from the very inside.
+Ah, yes, two ex-employees / developers which were actively involved
+with the development of the distribution over so many years.. Uh, oh,
+wait, no they weren't.
+I'm questioning whether they actually grasp all of the work required
+to put together a distribution. I also find it odd when I see
+statements from them on IRC which seems to be in conflict with others
+involved with this that they intend on going in a different direction
+independent of Mandriva. With all the people being brought aboard with
+Mageia from the Mandriva Linux community, I find it hard to believe
+that there has been established a consensus about this with all of the
+people involved and that they really want to do everything on their
+own and not care about keeping relations or anything with what they've
+been involved with on actual community basis and over longer times
+than either of these two..
+Are you guys *really* planning on doing the whole distribution on your
+own totally independent of Mandriva without any interest of
+collaborating?
+
+To me, these responses of Romain and Nicolas seems to confirm all the
+questions I raised earlier in this thread, suggesting that the fork
+and their motivations are personal and not out of concern and care for
+the community, despite these motivations officially given. I guess
+there's a reason for why they avoided these critical questions raised
+towards them, and rather chose to attack constructive attempts at
+doing what's in the best interest of the community in stead.
+
+But sure, I've only been actively involved with the development of
+this *community* distribution and on several other levels for a decade
+now, being amongst those involved for the longest time, while also
+being an ex-employee myself, I've primarily been active through the
+community independent of my employment nor imposing personal feelings
+towards company on the community. And I can also truly claim that I
+have an absolute full understanding of all the work an complexity
+involved in putting together the whole distribution and put tons of
+more hours into this on my sparetime and out of interest for
+contributing to the community, making me quite aware of the fact that
+you'll have a pretty darn hard time doing this and organizing the
+whole thing on your own.
+In all these claims about this being a community project and it being
+independent off people's employment and all, would you really find
+disgruntled ex-employees which has only been involved in this project
+through employment as the most trustworthy characters? How much time
+do they actually plan to invest themself into this project on their
+sparetime now that they're not employed by Mandriva?
+
+I can't really start telling how provoked I am over seeing this
+childish and truly community hostile attitude, or about the claims
+about through the liquidation of Edge-IT all of the talents and
+important people involved in development of the distribution
+disappearing, guess what, the majority of the staff working on the
+distribution for quite some time has actually been employed at
+Conectiva, not Edge-IT!
+
+But certainly, attention to actual details were never given much
+importance, were they..? Or were the people at Conectiva just
+considered less worth and not of any importance to the development of
+the distribution at all..?
+
+--
+Regards,
+Per Øyvind
+