From 1be510f9529cb082f802408b472a77d074b394c0 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: Nicolas Vigier Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2013 13:46:12 +0000 Subject: Add zarb MLs html archives --- .../20110113/b99ffec2/attachment-0001.html | 40 ++++++++++++++++++++++ .../attachments/20110113/b99ffec2/attachment.html | 40 ++++++++++++++++++++++ .../20110113/b9db44cb/attachment-0001.html | 9 +++++ .../attachments/20110113/b9db44cb/attachment.html | 9 +++++ .../20110113/c13239b9/attachment-0001.asc | 7 ++++ .../attachments/20110113/c13239b9/attachment.asc | 7 ++++ .../20110113/cb11c63b/attachment-0001.html | 30 ++++++++++++++++ .../attachments/20110113/cb11c63b/attachment.html | 30 ++++++++++++++++ .../20110113/dcfe8d09/attachment-0001.asc | 7 ++++ .../attachments/20110113/dcfe8d09/attachment.asc | 7 ++++ 10 files changed, 186 insertions(+) create mode 100644 zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110113/b99ffec2/attachment-0001.html create mode 100644 zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110113/b99ffec2/attachment.html create mode 100644 zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110113/b9db44cb/attachment-0001.html create mode 100644 zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110113/b9db44cb/attachment.html create mode 100644 zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110113/c13239b9/attachment-0001.asc create mode 100644 zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110113/c13239b9/attachment.asc create mode 100644 zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110113/cb11c63b/attachment-0001.html create mode 100644 zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110113/cb11c63b/attachment.html create mode 100644 zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110113/dcfe8d09/attachment-0001.asc create mode 100644 zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110113/dcfe8d09/attachment.asc (limited to 'zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110113') diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110113/b99ffec2/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110113/b99ffec2/attachment-0001.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..9f4b91d3a --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110113/b99ffec2/attachment-0001.html @@ -0,0 +1,40 @@ + + + + + + +Daniel Kreuter wrote: +

+I don't agree with you at that point. I always take the tarball from eclipse.org (for +eclipse) or netbeans.org +(for netbeans) instead of the one's of repository provided by the +distro.
+The reason is quite simple, the one's mentioned above are newer than +the one's in the repos (often, not always but everywhere i looked for +it, it was so)
+
+But there may be people who will first look in rpmdrake or urpmi that's +right, but not everybody.
+
+
+Well, I didn't say *everybody*, I was referring to newer users who +might actually do what we tell them to :-)
+
+The problem is that there is a very high probability that anyone who +installs from an RPM will then install plugins directly.  Given that, I +would question even packaging the base product as an RPM.
+
+Then again, there's the concern about whether an RPM-provided package +may provide something a tarball does not, or vice-versa.  For example, +the MDV Java RPMs play all sorts of games with /etc/alternatives and +don't (I think) set environment variables like JAVA_HOME.  This means +that tarball installs of things like Ant need manual tweaking to work +correctly with an RPM-based JDK.  The RPM-based Ant has wrapper scripts +which depend on the /etc/alternatives stuff and determine JAVA_HOME on +the fly.
+ + diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110113/b99ffec2/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110113/b99ffec2/attachment.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..9f4b91d3a --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110113/b99ffec2/attachment.html @@ -0,0 +1,40 @@ + + + + + + +Daniel Kreuter wrote: +

+I don't agree with you at that point. I always take the tarball from eclipse.org (for +eclipse) or netbeans.org +(for netbeans) instead of the one's of repository provided by the +distro.
+The reason is quite simple, the one's mentioned above are newer than +the one's in the repos (often, not always but everywhere i looked for +it, it was so)
+
+But there may be people who will first look in rpmdrake or urpmi that's +right, but not everybody.
+
+
+Well, I didn't say *everybody*, I was referring to newer users who +might actually do what we tell them to :-)
+
+The problem is that there is a very high probability that anyone who +installs from an RPM will then install plugins directly.  Given that, I +would question even packaging the base product as an RPM.
+
+Then again, there's the concern about whether an RPM-provided package +may provide something a tarball does not, or vice-versa.  For example, +the MDV Java RPMs play all sorts of games with /etc/alternatives and +don't (I think) set environment variables like JAVA_HOME.  This means +that tarball installs of things like Ant need manual tweaking to work +correctly with an RPM-based JDK.  The RPM-based Ant has wrapper scripts +which depend on the /etc/alternatives stuff and determine JAVA_HOME on +the fly.
+ + diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110113/b9db44cb/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110113/b9db44cb/attachment-0001.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..0256ce4ab --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110113/b9db44cb/attachment-0001.html @@ -0,0 +1,9 @@ +

On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 2:01 AM, Frank Griffin <ftg@roadrunner.com> wrote:
+No they won't.  They won't know anything about the distinction between
+installing via RPM or via tarball.  They'll look in rpmdrake for Eclipse
+initially, install it from there, and then use the normal Eclipse
+mechanism to install plugins.  They'll do this because we tell them to
+use rpmdrake to look for software, and they'll do the plugins the way
+they're used to or the way the Eclipse docs tell them to.

I don't agree with you at that point. I always take the tarball from eclipse.org (for eclipse) or netbeans.org (for netbeans) instead of the one's of repository provided by the distro.
+The reason is quite simple, the one's mentioned above are newer than the one's in the repos (often, not always but everywhere i looked for it, it was so)

But there may be people who will first look in rpmdrake or urpmi that's right, but not everybody.
+--
Mit freundlichen Grüßen

Greetings

Daniel Kreuter



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On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 2:01 AM, Frank Griffin <ftg@roadrunner.com> wrote:
+No they won't.  They won't know anything about the distinction between
+installing via RPM or via tarball.  They'll look in rpmdrake for Eclipse
+initially, install it from there, and then use the normal Eclipse
+mechanism to install plugins.  They'll do this because we tell them to
+use rpmdrake to look for software, and they'll do the plugins the way
+they're used to or the way the Eclipse docs tell them to.

I don't agree with you at that point. I always take the tarball from eclipse.org (for eclipse) or netbeans.org (for netbeans) instead of the one's of repository provided by the distro.
+The reason is quite simple, the one's mentioned above are newer than the one's in the repos (often, not always but everywhere i looked for it, it was so)

But there may be people who will first look in rpmdrake or urpmi that's right, but not everybody.
+--
Mit freundlichen Grüßen

Greetings

Daniel Kreuter



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On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 12:49 PM, Frank Griffin <ftg@roadrunner.com> wrote:
+ + + + + +
+Daniel Kreuter wrote: +

+I don't agree with you at that point. I always take the tarball from eclipse.org (for +eclipse) or netbeans.org +(for netbeans) instead of the one's of repository provided by the +distro.
+The reason is quite simple, the one's mentioned above are newer than +the one's in the repos (often, not always but everywhere i looked for +it, it was so)
+
+But there may be people who will first look in rpmdrake or urpmi that's +right, but not everybody.
+
+
+Well, I didn't say *everybody*, I was referring to newer users who +might actually do what we tell them to :-)
+
+The problem is that there is a very high probability that anyone who +installs from an RPM will then install plugins directly.  Given that, I +would question even packaging the base product as an RPM.
+
I agree with you. I think it's better to build just the basic ide with it's plugins and let the user install the rest via the Eclipse Marketplace (like Subclipse e.g.).
But we should consider that some of the plugins will have dependencies which won't be installed via the Marketplace like javaHL which is needed by Subclipse.
+
--
Mit freundlichen Grüßen

Greetings

Daniel Kreuter



+
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On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 12:49 PM, Frank Griffin <ftg@roadrunner.com> wrote:
+ + + + + +
+Daniel Kreuter wrote: +

+I don't agree with you at that point. I always take the tarball from eclipse.org (for +eclipse) or netbeans.org +(for netbeans) instead of the one's of repository provided by the +distro.
+The reason is quite simple, the one's mentioned above are newer than +the one's in the repos (often, not always but everywhere i looked for +it, it was so)
+
+But there may be people who will first look in rpmdrake or urpmi that's +right, but not everybody.
+
+
+Well, I didn't say *everybody*, I was referring to newer users who +might actually do what we tell them to :-)
+
+The problem is that there is a very high probability that anyone who +installs from an RPM will then install plugins directly.  Given that, I +would question even packaging the base product as an RPM.
+
I agree with you. I think it's better to build just the basic ide with it's plugins and let the user install the rest via the Eclipse Marketplace (like Subclipse e.g.).
But we should consider that some of the plugins will have dependencies which won't be installed via the Marketplace like javaHL which is needed by Subclipse.
+
--
Mit freundlichen Grüßen

Greetings

Daniel Kreuter



+
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