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On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 9:32 PM, andre999 <andr55@laposte.net> wrote:
+Dale Huckeby a écrit :
+
+On Sat, 4 Dec 2010, andre999 wrote:
+
+
+John a écrit :
+
+
+On Fri, 3 Dec 2010 11:28:26 +0100
+Maarten Vanraes wrote:
+
+
+Op vrijdag 03 december 2010 10:45:05 schreef Ahmad Samir:
+[...]
+
+The kernel uses the word "tainted" when it detects the nvidia
+proprietary module for example, (which admittedly gave me a bit of
+shock the first time I saw it :)).
+
+
+Heh, i had the same reaction.
+
+
+>From all the proposed names, I think "tainted" is the best one, as the
+
+packages in there are in a "grey" zone, i.e. not totally illegal
+everywhere, but illegal only in some places in the world. And in
+reality the existence of a patent doesn't necessarily mean it's
+enforceable in a court of law (the only way we'd know for sure is if
+someone actually does try to sue)... my 0.02€ worth :)
+
+
+Generally only potentially "illegal" in some countries.
+"Tainted" means contaminated, polluted. A lot stronger than
+potentially "illegal". (Really only actionable in a civil sense, not
+criminally illegal, as well.)
+A package could end up there due to an apparently credible rumour,
+later discredited. (Anyone remember SCO ?)
+
+
+I agree. Problematic comes closer to "potentially illegal", so I looked
+up some synonyms: ambiguous, debatable, dubious,
+iffy, suspect, speculative, precarious, suspicious, uncertain,
+unsettled, in addition to problematic itself. Personally
+I like iffy, which is both short and to the point, but I think several
+of these would do. WDYT?
+
+Dale Huckeby
+
+
+A much better set of choices.
+(Thanks for looking these up.  Good idea.)
+
+Let's remember that the question for these packages is not the quality of their functioning - but rather the advisability to use them, for other reasons, in some countries.
+So I think that it is better to avoid words that could question the QUALITY of the packages.
+
+Words in the list like
+ ambiguous, debatable, problematic, and speculative
+avoid questioning the quality ... but could be too long or too formal.
+Or just not catchy enough ;)
+("Iffy" might be ok - certainly catchy enough.)
+
+Additional words I found in Roget's thesaurus, along the same lines :
+
+Associated more with debatable :
+arguable, contestable, controvertible, disputable, questionable,
+
+Associated more with controversial :
+confutable, deniable, mistakable, moot
+
+Of these additional words, I think that "contestable", "disputable", and "controversial" are probably closest to the SENSE of the repositories.
+But maybe too formal ?
+
+Many of these words could be good choices.
+And maybe someone will come up with some more ?
+
+my 2 cents :)
+
+- André
+

What about: main, free, non-free?
In main is everything what belongs to the core, free contains only packages which are under a free license and in non-free are those which aren't clear if free or not (what you mentioned earlier in this discussion).
+
All three names are as clear as possible what's meant.

--
Mit freundlichen Grüßen

Greetings

Daniel Kreuter



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On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 9:32 PM, andre999 <andr55@laposte.net> wrote:
+Dale Huckeby a écrit :
+
+On Sat, 4 Dec 2010, andre999 wrote:
+
+
+John a écrit :
+
+
+On Fri, 3 Dec 2010 11:28:26 +0100
+Maarten Vanraes wrote:
+
+
+Op vrijdag 03 december 2010 10:45:05 schreef Ahmad Samir:
+[...]
+
+The kernel uses the word "tainted" when it detects the nvidia
+proprietary module for example, (which admittedly gave me a bit of
+shock the first time I saw it :)).
+
+
+Heh, i had the same reaction.
+
+
+>From all the proposed names, I think "tainted" is the best one, as the
+
+packages in there are in a "grey" zone, i.e. not totally illegal
+everywhere, but illegal only in some places in the world. And in
+reality the existence of a patent doesn't necessarily mean it's
+enforceable in a court of law (the only way we'd know for sure is if
+someone actually does try to sue)... my 0.02€ worth :)
+
+
+Generally only potentially "illegal" in some countries.
+"Tainted" means contaminated, polluted. A lot stronger than
+potentially "illegal". (Really only actionable in a civil sense, not
+criminally illegal, as well.)
+A package could end up there due to an apparently credible rumour,
+later discredited. (Anyone remember SCO ?)
+
+
+I agree. Problematic comes closer to "potentially illegal", so I looked
+up some synonyms: ambiguous, debatable, dubious,
+iffy, suspect, speculative, precarious, suspicious, uncertain,
+unsettled, in addition to problematic itself. Personally
+I like iffy, which is both short and to the point, but I think several
+of these would do. WDYT?
+
+Dale Huckeby
+
+
+A much better set of choices.
+(Thanks for looking these up.  Good idea.)
+
+Let's remember that the question for these packages is not the quality of their functioning - but rather the advisability to use them, for other reasons, in some countries.
+So I think that it is better to avoid words that could question the QUALITY of the packages.
+
+Words in the list like
+ ambiguous, debatable, problematic, and speculative
+avoid questioning the quality ... but could be too long or too formal.
+Or just not catchy enough ;)
+("Iffy" might be ok - certainly catchy enough.)
+
+Additional words I found in Roget's thesaurus, along the same lines :
+
+Associated more with debatable :
+arguable, contestable, controvertible, disputable, questionable,
+
+Associated more with controversial :
+confutable, deniable, mistakable, moot
+
+Of these additional words, I think that "contestable", "disputable", and "controversial" are probably closest to the SENSE of the repositories.
+But maybe too formal ?
+
+Many of these words could be good choices.
+And maybe someone will come up with some more ?
+
+my 2 cents :)
+
+- André
+

What about: main, free, non-free?
In main is everything what belongs to the core, free contains only packages which are under a free license and in non-free are those which aren't clear if free or not (what you mentioned earlier in this discussion).
+
All three names are as clear as possible what's meant.

--
Mit freundlichen Grüßen

Greetings

Daniel Kreuter



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