[Mageia-dev] weird dependencies that i've seen

Sat Jan 5 01:30:13 CET 2013

i didn't want to be seen as offensive here, this was just a remark from what 
+i've seen, and was odd TO ME. and i'm definately not the allknowing god here.
+
+wrt to the specifics, that's not what i'm talking about. if i thought these 
+were bugs that *needed* fixing, it'd have filed them as such, these are merely 
+observations i made. perhaps some can easily be improved, perhaps not.
+
+regardless of that, if something would be wrong (and i'm not saying it is), 
+lack of manpower doesn't remove it's wrongness, it just means it's not as 
+important and it's something for later. (and besides *wrong* is often quite 
+relative)
+
+to *what* you are saying i don't disagree at all... the way you say it does 
+come off as a bit defensive. as if you took my original message as an annoyance 
+and an offensive statement (which i definately didn't mean to do)
+
+no hard feelings...
+
+Op vrijdag 4 januari 2013 18:51:20 schreef nicolas.lecureuil at free.fr:
+> 1- do you think we have manpower for this ? i think not and that we have
+> more import pbs to deal with, as we have firefox requiring gtk, mcc,
+> system-config-printer, ... so kscreensaver too i don't think this is a big
+> deal
+> 
+> 6- gwenview can use ALL kipi-plugins and this is a suggests, i WON'T remove
+> this never.
+> 
+> ----- Mail original -----
+> De: "AL13N" <alien at rmail.be>
+> À: mageia-dev at mageia.org
+> Cc: "nicolas lecureuil" <nicolas.lecureuil at free.fr>
+> Envoyé: Vendredi 4 Janvier 2013 18:45:14
+> Objet: Re: [Mageia-dev] weird dependencies that i've seen
+> 
+> i completely understand your point, i'm not saying these are packaging
+> mistakes at all.
+> 
+> but for something qt, it doesn't make much sense to have gnome-keyring code,
+> except for when there would be kwallet and gnome-keyring plugins.
+> 
+> 1. this more that xscreensaver requires chbg (does kscreensaver use this
+> part? if not, maybe xscreensaver can be packaged separately), or chbg
+> requires gtk+ code (maybe recode would be better to be gtk/qt independant)
+> 
+> 6. about gwenview, does it actually use these kipi-plugins all the time?
+> does it use all of them, or just some kipi-plugins (if they are available).
+> if latter, it might be better to suggest the specific ones alone, instead
+> of all of them.
+> 
+> 2, i understand for skype, but it's quite the dirty solution, perhaps a
+> getter with requirements is better than just having everyone installing
+> 32deps...
+> 
+> 
+> this indeed is a list of links that exist that i found odd, since they could
+> be more abstract written and thus not directly link to each other.
+> Op vrijdag 4 januari 2013 18:30:35 schreef nicolas.lecureuil at free.fr:
+> > i have not answered to all, but nothing weird at all for me here, except
+> > if
+> > you want to recode all to remove  the deps you don't like.
+> > 
+> > 1- xscreensaver is needed by kscreensaver, so nothing weird on the
+> > packaging side. 2- this is needed for skype, if we don't this will not
+> > work this is needed. 3- Because the code doesn't use phonon but
+> > gstreamer, complain to qtwebkit devs. ( i think i don't tell mistakes
+> > here ) 6- gwenview can use kipi-plugins so this is a suggests, this is
+> > not weird at all, this just show you write about stuff you don't know and
+> > softs you don't use ;) 7- hum this is normal.
+> > 8- this is normal this is to help to migrate windows accounts, so this is
+> > completly normal
+> > 
+> > ----- Mail original -----
+> > De: "AL13N" <alien at rmail.be>
+> > À: mageia-dev at mageia.org
+> > Envoyé: Vendredi 4 Janvier 2013 17:49:08
+> > Objet: [Mageia-dev] weird dependencies that i've seen
+> > 
+> > 1. KDE requires gtk+
+> > 2. pulseaudio suggests it's i586 counterparts (plz don't)
+> > 3. qtwebkit requires gstreamer (not phonon)
+> > 4. KDE requires packagekit
+> > 5. hugin requires make
+> > 6. kipi-plugins suggested by gwenview
+> > 7. system-config-printer pulls in quite some gnome
+> > 8. transfugdrake required by userdrake
+> > 9. qtwebkit requires gnome-keyring
+> > 
+> > 1. kdeartwork requires xscreensaver, which requires chgb, which requires
+> > gtk+ 2. in spec file, requested for closed source 3rd party binaries that
+> > are 32bit 3. libqtwebkit requires gstreamer directly... why not phonon
+> > 4. libqtwebkit requires also gst-install-plugin-helper and requires
+> > packagekit 5. hugin directly requires make... why would a gui require a
+> > buildtool? 6. gwenview really uses all kipi-plugins?
+> > 7. gnome-icon-theme,gnome-python,gnome-python-gnomekeyring _required_ by
+> > s-c-p system-config-printer MUST have a gnome keyring? that would be
+> > odd...
+> > 8. transfugdrake required by userdrake... odd
+> > 9. qtwebkit requires soup, requires lib64gnome-keyring, suggests
+> > gnome-keyring
+