[Mageia-dev] Gnome mess in Mageia SVN...

Sat Feb 23 15:23:07 CET 2013

Olav Vitters skrev 21.2.2013 11:08:
+> On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 01:10:33AM +0200, Thomas Backlund wrote:
+>> Can you _please_ kill your automatic upload scripts...
+>
+> done.
+>
+
+Thanks.
+
+>> It should have been killed as soon as we hit version freeze.
+>>
+>> It's making a mess in Mageia SVN.
+>>
+>> I see several uploads by "ovitters", but no freeze push requests,
+>> and also some 3.7.90 stuff getting uploaded and seveal version
+>> bumps that is not "bugfixes only"...
+>
+> 3.7.90? It will not upload that. It will only upload if someone before
+> uploaded such a version.
+>
+
+that may be ... we need to review and fix the packages / downgrades...
+but someone uploading wrong package does not excuse doing more
+of it...
+
+but that's exactly the issue of running unmonitored bots when
+version freeze  is in effect...
+
+>> I see a new NetworkManager also just ended up in SVN, despite
+>> iirc you earlier stated you'd probly need to roll down to an
+>> older one...
+>
+> Indeed, seems that there is a still a bug.
+>
+>> So you are making the same mess for upcoming mga3, that is
+>> also in mga2 updates svn, making everyone elses work harder,
+>> when svn does not match what's on mirrors... this is painful
+>> for QA and security maintenance...
+>
+> Apologies for trying to provide a new GNOME as requested _on_my_own_ and
+> not finishing it. Not what I wanted, but not done on purpose.
+>
+
+Yeah, well, stuff going to updates_testing is meant for updates,
+so when you start a push, please follow up on it, or dont push
+at all...
+
+and automated bots pushing stuff on its own to updates_testing is not
+something that helps... official updates needs to be thought out,
+and monitored so you really know what is pushed and needs to be
+validated.
+
+But enough about that... updates_testing got cleaned so we
+will have to cope only with the svn stuff if/when pushing
+gnome and gnome deps releated security updates ..
+
+
+>> Automated scripts can be ok during open cauldron, but _never_
+>> when we try to stabilize for a release.
+>
+> Meanwhile, Mageia 3 keeps getting delayed and delayed and not due to me.
+>
+
+So what...
+
+I know you want to push GNOME 3.8 as it's always more fun to work
+with "the latest/greatest yet" but the sad fact is that there does
+does not seem to be enough gnome  maintenance/maintainers interests
+to really pull it off...
+
+Not to mention there is serious doubts the the 3.8.0 release
+will be good enough to work properly for all endusers when the
+fallback is dropped, so it would need atleast a update to 3.8.x
+as a followup later to provide something that actually works,
+wich comes back to lack of maintainers...
+
+>> So ... once again... please kill the script, clean up svn,
+>> revert packages to latest stable, and try to focus on providing
+>> a good / fully updated Gnome 3.6 will be available for Mga3.
+>
+> I rather take a break from Mageia.
+>
+
+Just because we ask you to focus on distro quality thinking for
+a while and not as a gnome dev only wanting to play with latest
+code ?
+
+And we get stuck with cleaning up... Oh well...
+
+I guess that just confirms that 3.6 is a safer road for us then...
+
+I do hope you reconsider, but everyone is here by their own
+free will...
+
+
+> And I hate these personal email habits. CC'ing mageia-dev.
+>
+
+I thought it only concerned you for now, as it was your bot
+running wild (and unmonitored) that got me to mail you...
+
+But if that's what you want... Fine by me...
+I'll post on -dev for now then...
+
+--
+Thomas
+
+