[Mageia-dev] [RFC] rsyslog vs journalctl

Wed Feb 6 13:15:07 CET 2013

'Twas brillig, and AL13N at 06/02/13 12:02 did gyre and gimble:
+>> 'Twas brillig, and Anne Nicolas at 06/02/13 08:43 did gyre and gimble:
+>>> There was a discussion yesterday evening in packager meeting about what
+>>> we should do with rsyslog. It's needed for upgrade from Mageia 2. But
+>>> journalctl is now installed by default.
+>>>
+>>> Is there some requirement for systemd ? Shall we have both installed? We
+>>> need an answer to deal with upgrade and isos
+> [...]
+> 
+> I'm afraid it might not be as easy as anyone would think:
+> 
+> 1. journald does not do UDP remote syslogging, according to lennart at his
+> talk at FOSDEM?
+> 
+> ==> this means old syslog shouldn't be obsoleted
+> 
+> 2. it appears it also doesn't fill tty12 with info as rsyslog does
+> 
+> ==> if true, and not fixable, then i would still suggest to have both.
+
+Oh, for the avoidance of doubt, I don't think there is any argument that
+would suggest the removal from the repositories or obsoletion of rsyslog
+or syslog-ng etc.
+
+There are perfectly valid reasons to have rsyslog et al installed and I
+do not envisage us removing this possibility.
+
+The only question (in my mind) is whether we should always require
+disk-based journal logging (and document how to keep that small if the
+user so desires) or whether we should allow the option to disable
+persistent journal logging completely.
+
+For me I'd rather go the former which allows us to provide a tool that
+looks in one place for debug info rather than aggregate data lots of
+separate files. But as I said in my other message, I'm not totally
+married to that idea.
+
+Col
+
+
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