[Mageia-dev] musical session locations (was: Grub2 vs. Grub Leg...)

Mon Feb 4 22:56:33 CET 2013

On 2013-02-04 12:23 (GMT) Barry Jackson composed:
+
+> Felix Miata wrote:
+
+>> grub2-menulst2cfg picked up the ones that work in Grub Legacy (vga=
+>> ((http://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt)) &
+>> video= ((http://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/fb/modedb.txt))), which
+>> are kernel parameters. They do the same thing loaded via Grub2 as when
+>> loaded via Grub Legacy.
+
+>>>> 8-KDM is on tty2, the location I reserve for certain class of recurring
+>>>> activities, instead of where expected on tty7
+
+>>> Dunno - I have never seen this.
+
+>> Booting with 3 on cmdline and later doing startx or init 5?
+
+> I think that startx and init are deprecated in favour of proper systemd
+> commands now.
+
+Init at shell prompt is shorthand/alias for insanely long non-memorable 
+systemd replacements for telinit/init.
+
+Startx may be deprecated, but no one who's told me so has suggested what's 
+supposed to replace it to get 2nd, 3rd & more X sessions going on :1, :2, etc.
+
+Startkde never seems to work at a tty prompt. When I'm testing what I often 
+test, startx saves an immense amount of time over going though a login 
+manager, which often wasn't working and why I was using startx in the first 
+place.
+
+>> On current
+>> boot I used 3 on cmdline, logged in on tty2 & tty3, did startx on tty3,
+>> and found X is running on tty3. On exiting the X session I did init 5.
+>> That put KDM on tty1. On openSUSE & Fedora the problem is essentially
+>> the same, e.g.: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=768788
+
+> I don't think this is grub2 related.
+
+Of course it's not. It's fallout from incomplete migration from sysvinit to 
+systemd. Systemd is designed to not do a significant number of things that 
+sysvinit did do, so things are broken that haven't been modified to do what 
+the functioning init system no longer does, or account for everything the 
+replacement init system does differently.
+
+> Graphical desktop should default to tty1 now
+
+I have predfined uses for ttys 1-6. 7, 8 & 9 are where my X sessions belong, 
+not on 1 and random others making me guess each time what lives where. Tty1 
+especially needs not to be where X goes, because it's where in help forums 
+everyone dealing with non-working X is told to login to do this and do that 
+to troubleshoot.
+
+>, however I have seen an
+> issue where it moves to tty7 after stopping and re-starting
+> prefdm.service. I have not checked this recently.
+
+More about what systemd doesn't do that init did. Initab reserved ttys 1-6 
+leaving 7+ free for X sessions. Systemd reserves none and doesn't even start 
+a getty until switch to a tty is made.
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