[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos

Mon Sep 24 12:33:49 CEST 2012

zezinho skrev 24.9.2012 12:52:
+> Em 24-09-2012 09:55, Thomas Backlund escreveu:
+>> Just because they have a 64bit hw, it does not mean they have accees
+>> to cheap bw since that depends on where they live, what isp they have,
+>> and so on...
+>>
+>
+> Well, we can't keep the same service to users without keeping the same
+> number of medias. And we NEED to reduce this number. So let's only
+> decide if DVD keeps without nonfree or not. A poll? Both choices will
+> keep the same numbers of medias.
+>
+
+Sorry, my response got somewhat easy to misunderstand :)
+
+I meant it only as a response to the:
+"it seems much less likely that 64-bit users will have the download
+bandwidth problems of many 32-bit users."
+
+> As far as I can see, the easiest way to REDUCE media number is to switch
+> Live medias from 700MB to at most DVD size :
+>
+> - It removes the different localized version, it is 40% medias less.
+> - It does not remove ALL CD-R solutions, as we long as keep DualArch and
+> boot.iso media.
+> - It fits in most current USB keys (4GB is the lowest size I can see in
+> shops).
+>
+
+But many people have only 1-2GB sticks they could re-use ...
+Not everyone can go out and buy new hw all the time...
+
+And the downside of getting bigger live images is that they
+do get slower to boot...
+
+> Yes, it removes supports for some old hardware solutions, which I
+> install often, but we can't keep testing 19 medias. We have still lack
+> of QA people!
+>
+
+Yes, I know... I've been doing ISO qa :)
+we do need to reduce the media sets...
+which is why I earlier in this thread suggested:
+- 1 i586 GNOME english liveCD ("works everywhere")
+- 1 i586 KDE english   liveCD ("works everywhere")
+
+- 1 i586 GNOME all-lang liveDVD
+- 1 i586 KDE   all-lang liveDVD
+
+- 1 x86_64 GNOME all-lang liveDVD
+- 1 x86_64 KDE   all-lang liveDVD
+
+That would bring the live* media down from 16 -> 6
+
+
+And as data point...
+With current mga2 livecd package config, building a liveDVD for one
+arch/DE results in a liveDVD image with ~ 1GB image size
+
+
+If we squash more than one DE on the same liveDVD there will be some
+questions:
+
+- Which DM will we use ? GDM? KDM? XDM? ...?
+
+Then we get the complaints:
+- "why should I need to download KDE stuff when I want GNOME"?
+- "why should I need to download  GNOME stuff when I want KDE"?
+- "why ..."
+
+and the technical side:
+- stuffing more than one DE on liveDVDs means altering build process,
+   also giving more problem for little if any gain....
+- every DE on liveDVDs still need to be validated, so no less testing/QA
+- it means testing G/K/XDM starting GNOME/KDE/... so no less testing/QA
+- ...
+
+--
+
+Thomas
+
+
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