[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue

Tue Oct 2 23:58:29 CEST 2012

Wolfgang Bornath a écrit :
+> 2012/10/2 Johnny A. Solbu <cooker at solbu.net>:
+>> Not according to official mageia documentation and policy it doesn't.
+>>
+>> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_2_Release_Notes#The_Mageia_online_repositories
+>> That page states that there is No nonfree software in tainted.
+>>
+>> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mirrors_policy#tainted
+>> Current policy states that nonfree packages are Not allowed in tainted. That includes patented nonfree packages.
+>>
+>> Then we also need to change current guidelines as to what goes in tainted.
+> 
+> This is exactly why we are discussing it here ! :)
+> These guidelines were set when this special case (faac) did not come
+> to mind. When it did, this discussion started.
+> 
+To sumarize : ;)
+
+1) Core repo = opensource and free softwares without any patent problem
+in any country : OK for FOSS zealous users
+opensource licences =
+    Academic Free License 3.0 (AFL-3.0)
+    Affero GNU Public License: See "GNU Affero General Public License
+3.0 (AGPL-3.0)"
+    Adaptive Public License (APL-1.0)
+    Apache License 2.0 (Apache-2.0)
+    Apple Public Source License (APSL-2.0)
+    Artistic license 2.0 (Artistic-2.0)
+    Attribution Assurance Licenses (AAL)
+    BSD 3-Clause "New" or "Revised" License (BSD-3-Clause)
+    BSD 2-Clause "Simplified" or "FreeBSD" License (BSD-2-Clause)
+    Boost Software License (BSL-1.0)
+    Computer Associates Trusted Open Source License 1.1 (CATOSL-1.1)
+    Common Development and Distribution License 1.0 (CDDL-1.0)
+    Common Public Attribution License 1.0 (CPAL-1.0)
+    CUA Office Public License Version 1.0 (CUA-OPL-1.0)
+    EU DataGrid Software License (EUDatagrid)
+    Eclipse Public License 1.0 (EPL-1.0)
+    Educational Community License, Version 2.0 (ECL-2.0)
+    Eiffel Forum License V2.0 (EFL-2.0)
+    Entessa Public License (Entessa)
+    European Union Public License, Version 1.1 (EUPL-1.1) (links to
+every language's version on their site)
+    Fair License (FAIR)
+    Frameworx License (Frameworx-1.0)
+    GNU Affero General Public License v3 (AGPL-3.0)
+    GNU General Public License version 2.0 (GPL-2.0)
+    GNU General Public License version 3.0 (GPL-3.0)
+    GNU Library or "Lesser" General Public License version 2.1 (LGPL-2.1)
+    GNU Library or "Lesser" General Public License version 3.0 (LGPL-3.0)
+    Historical Permission Notice and Disclaimer (HPND)
+    IBM Public License 1.0 (IPL-1.0)
+    IPA Font License (IPA)
+    ISC License (ISC)
+    LaTeX Project Public License 1.3c (LPPL-1.3c)
+    Lucent Public License Version 1.02 (LPL-1.02)
+    MirOS Licence (MirOS)
+    Microsoft Public License (Ms-PL)
+    Microsoft Reciprocal License (Ms-RL)
+    MIT license (MIT)
+    Motosoto License (Motosoto)
+    Mozilla Public License 2.0 (MPL-2.0)
+    Multics License (Multics)
+    NASA Open Source Agreement 1.3 (NASA 1.3)
+    NTP License (NTP)
+    Naumen Public License (Naumen)
+    Nethack General Public License (NGPL)
+    Nokia Open Source License (Nokia)
+    Non-Profit Open Software License 3.0 (NPOSL-3.0)
+    OCLC Research Public License 2.0 (OCLC-2.0)
+    Open Font License 1.1 (OFL 1.1)
+    Open Group Test Suite License (OGTSL)
+    Open Software License 3.0 (OSL-3.0)
+    PHP License 3.0 (PHP-3.0)
+    The PostgreSQL License (PostgreSQL)
+    Python License (Python-2.0) (overall Python license)
+    CNRI Python license (CNRI-Python) (CNRI portion of Python License)
+    Q Public License (QPL-1.0)
+    RealNetworks Public Source License V1.0 (RPSL-1.0)
+    Reciprocal Public License 1.5 (RPL-1.5)
+    Ricoh Source Code Public License (RSCPL)
+    Simple Public License 2.0 (SimPL-2.0)
+    Sleepycat License (Sleepycat)
+    Sun Public License 1.0 (SPL-1.0)
+    Sybase Open Watcom Public License 1.0 (Watcom-1.0)
+    University of Illinois/NCSA Open Source License (NCSA)
+    Vovida Software License v. 1.0 (VSL-1.0)
+    W3C License (W3C)
+    wxWindows Library License (WXwindows)
+    X.Net License (Xnet)
+    Zope Public License 2.0 (ZPL-2.0)
+    zlib/libpng license (Zlib)
+
+And perhaps some other forgotten licenses
+
+
+
+2) Non free repo = freedom of use, but proprietary and not opensource
+stuff (no good for FOSS zealous users)
+ they bring no patent problem in any country : they can be distributed
+without restriction...
+that means mainly graphics drivers for Nvidia, ATI, firmwares for wifi-
+cheapsets...
+(Some prefer to use nouveau instead of nvidia drivers... and some will
+have to wait until a cheapset with opensource firmware appears, but most
+of users want to install and use GNU Linux on their actual computer
+thanks to non-free repo)
+
+Non free repo contains too :
+some utilities to download some non opensource softwares from the
+proprietary web site (Adobe-flash, Skype) that can't be distributed .
+FOSS zealous wouldn't use this no more... Ordinary user may need these
+softwares
+
+
+
+3) tainted repo = opensource and free softwares with  patent problem in
+some countries : quite OK for FOSS addicts (nevertheless some of them
+wouldn't even use an opensource software to read a patented format such
+as mp3 : they prefer ogg and ask to boycott mp3... or aac)
+
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+
+
+FAAC problem : it's indeed and absolutely tainted because of patent
+problem (like FAAD which allows to read aac files and is provided in
+tainted repo, same as lame to encode mp3 and gstreamer-plugin-ugly to
+decode mp3 )
+but : it's not entirely opensource because it is based on a ISO
+reference code which of course is not opensource .... this standard was
+developed by several companies which cooperated and contributed to
+create it (AT T, Dolby, Fraunhofer, Nokia ...)
+
+It's not good for FOSS addicts !!!!
+
+There were endless discussions about it (like zoologists about platypus
+ie ornythorynchus
+is it a mammalian yes the female milk the young... but it lays eggs like
+a bird or a reptile... but it is venomous like a reptile or an
+arthropode ... but it has a beak like a duck! is it a hoax ? where must
+it be classified ?)
+
+
+
+Not lots of possibilities to create aac or mp4 files :
+- Neroaacenc proprietary (non-free and non distributable)
+- libavcodec not so good
+- vo-aacenc ( for androïd, seems to have the same ISO basis as faac !!!)
+- fdk-aac (copyleft from Fraunhofer... who wrote the ISO standard !!!!)
+this last one is too young to have been used by other programs
+
+Nowadays Cinerella, Handbrake need FAAC and can't be provided by Mageia!
+Gstreamer, FFMPEG, VLC, avidemux, mencoder, CDex ... might be built with
+FAAC and then allow to create mp4 or aac files (that are quite a
+standard on the web) they were built this way in PLF... they are not
+provided built this way by Mageia.
+
+If the problem is really not soluble inside Mageia we can ask for a
+third party repo (guys from Blogdrake already provide FAAC, handbrake
+and cinerella... may we ask them to rebuild upon FAAC some Mageia's rpms
+? the spec files are ready for this!)
+
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+
+Last thoughts :
+
+Anyway :
+Some other free softwares are based on ISO references (we can even find
+them in the Core repo !)
+Is there anybody to complain to have to use  a unicode based or ISO
+8859-* based web-browser, or text-writer ?... is it still opensource ?
+Or must we use a FOSS standard that only FOSS users may understand ?
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