[Mageia-dev] Cinnamon

Mon Nov 26 17:52:01 CET 2012

Joseph Wang skrev 26.11.2012 18:09:
+
+>
+> I just want a nice looking desktop and to have a stable platform that I
+> can use to do astrophysics hacking.  If I have to spend any non-trivial
+> effort to get cinnamon packaged in some way that doesn't break the
+> system, then I'm going to go insane pushing through the 50-100 other
+> astrophysics packages that I want to add to Mageia.
+>
+> Now maybe you all don't want me to add 50-100 professional astrophysics
+> packages to Mageia.  If so, then it's good we had this discussion now :-)
+> :-) :-)
+
+
+Well, theese 2 things are not really related, are they :)
+
+We dont mind you add and maintain 50-100 professional astrophysics 
+packages to Mageia.
+
+But none of them really depend on cinnamon being available.
+
+But if you are seriously stating no cinnamon means no other 
+contributions either, then thats your decision, and your right
+to do so.
+
+As for getting cinnamon into Mageia, you yourself stated you
+dont think it will be ready for Mga3.
+
+So that statement by itself points out that we might be better
+off keeping it from official mirrors for now... We can always
+review the decision to block cinnamon later after Mga3 is out,
+but that will be another discussion at that time...
+
+But I dont object to storing current work in Mageia SVN.
+
+> Unfortunately, I don't think that's going to work.  The trouble is that I'm
+> doing things out of my "spare time."  The people at my day job can
+> "persuade" me to show up at work every morning and work regular hours
+> because they hand me $$$$.  Everything I do outside of work is for love
+> and not money, and love is fickle.  I'll *try* to do what I can, but I have a
+> day job and kids, and those come first.
+>
+> Also, I get annoyed enough trying to climb the corporate ladder in my
+> day job.  I have to play game after game to get myself in a position
+> where people will listen to me at work.  Today, I had to put together
+> some Powerpoints for a "review committee" at work, and tomorrow
+> there is going to be a meeting, and another meeting, and e-mail discussion
+> and requirements documents, and project plans.  And in the middle of
+> all of this, I just sometimes want to scream at the committee.  But I don't
+> since they pay me $$$$$$$ not to tell them what I really think of them.
+>
+> But you aren''t paying me............
+
+
+Ok, please stop this $$$$ & "you aren''t paying me" and "my spare time" 
+BS already.
+
+Becaus every time you repeat it, you will be taken less and less 
+seriously, until people finally stop responding.
+
+Point is... you are in _no way_ "more special" than any other
+contributor in Mageia. Most of us are doing this on our free time
+and by our free will, spending countless of hours and other resources
+to work on it.
+
+>
+> Now, you may say that this is just "part of life."  It may be "part of Mageia"
+> but it's certainly not part of "open source," and I can put together useful
+> things elsewhere without having to go through the damn review committee.
+
+Well, lets speak of "open source" then...
+
+The "if I dont get this, I wont do that" try to force/blackmail is most
+definately not a part of open source... rather the opposite...
+
+And almost all distributions and larger projects have some kind of
+review/stering comittee so make sure a project is heading in a wanted
+direction. That does not mean their decision will please everybody.
+
+
+> Remember I got these specs by converting Fedora RPM's, and they'll be the
+> first people I'll go to.  If they don't work, then I'll try a dozen
+> other distributions,
+> and if none of those work, I'll start my own.
+>
+
+Well, thats the beauty of FLOSS... you can do whatever you want with the 
+code...
+
+And I guess Fedora wont mind you helping them out & contributing
+upstream..
+
+It will then be spread and used by other distributions including Mageia :)
+
+> I suppose it would help if someone tries to "sell" me Mageia.  What is
+> Mageia, and why should I volunteer to work on it?
+>
+
+Well, we dont need to "sell" it to you. This is FLOSS after all.
+Not every distribution suits everybody, that's how it's always been,
+and it will be so in the future too...
+
+Yes, we like people that want to contribute, but we dont like being
+blackmailed...
+
+
+> The thing is that if it is uncertain whether cinnamon will get into Mageia,
+> then it's just a waste of time for me to work on it in Mageia.  It would be
+> more useful for me to work on getting it to work with Fedora, Ubuntu, or
+> Mint, because I know that it's going to be useful there.
+>
+
+Well, by all means... if you are basing the rest of your contributions
+based on wether you can get cinnamon in or not, then I guess you need
+to pick one that suits your needs, we wont stop you.
+
+There are many great FLOSS projects out there, just pick one (or more) 
+and be happy...
+
+--
+Thomas
+
+