[Mageia-dev] What's with all the "fedora" named services in Drakxservice??

Sun May 6 22:19:53 CEST 2012

'Twas brillig, and Robert Fox at 06/05/12 15:57 did gyre and gimble:
+> On Sun, 2012-05-06 at 15:09 +0100, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+>> Jeeze, first people complain draxservices doesn't show all systemd
+>> service and now that I fixed that people complain they show them... I
+>> can't win :p
+>>
+> 
+> Thanks for your prompt response Colin - just was inquiring! 
+
+Yeah (and the above was just a joke in case you didn't realise :)
+
+> Maybe "disturbing" was a bit harsh . . . perhaps surprised.
+
+Yeah I do understand the point. I think longer term the plan is to try
+and get rid of as many of these scripts as possible as we migrate to a
+far more "standard" userspace. There should be some interesting talks at
+the plumbers conference this year on the "boot and init" track. Not that
+I'll be able to go.
+
+> Anywho, I think now that drakxservices shows the systemd stuff - it is
+> very useful.  The question I have here is, if "drakxservices" still the
+> definitive way to control services on Mageia 2 or should one use the
+> systemd commandline?
+
+Well there are still a few quirks to it IMO. While it works fine, there
+are more statuses and conditions in systemd services than those
+drakxserves was designed to handle. As we are supporting both sysvinit
+and systemd with it for this release it'll work OK, but only for the
+lowest common denominator. In the future we should be able to do more
+with drakxservices to make it more systemd specific. This however is
+more involved than you may think. The same code is used in the installer
+(which does not run systemd) to enable/disable services during install
+and on a running system. For the latter, using dbus to talk to systemd
+would be the most sensible approach to write a GUI, but for the former,
+we have to inspect the files manually which is ugly. For mga3 I have
+plans to try and make the installer use systemd and then use
+systemd-nspawn to run a virtual systemd instance to do the
+enable/disable during install. This then means we can use the same
+approach both during install and on a running system (in theory at least!)
+
+In the mean time you can also use systemadm from the systemd-ui package
+if you prefer a GUI.
+
+HTHs
+
+Col
+
+
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+
+Colin Guthrie
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