[Mageia-dev] installing minimal is not really that minimal

Thu Mar 22 12:18:30 CET 2012

On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 10:31:04AM +0100, Thierry Vignaud wrote:
+> On 22 March 2012 09:49, Olav Vitters <olav at vitters.nl> wrote:
+> > If your comment starts off with a:
+> > "You're playing with words here, task-gnome can be replaced by"
+> >
+> > while my intention is well meaning and not "playing with words", then I
+> > my first thought is not anywhere near constructive.
+> >
+> > The bugreport was opened about KDE. I gave a solution for KDE. Instead I
+> > get accusations about playing with words. I care about GNOME and giving
+> > a full experience. If people want a more minimal install to the
+> > detriment of GNOME, then I don't like it.
+> >
+> > I have 0 interest in getting more accusations about "doesn't care". I
+> > gave up maintainership because of the tone, allowing you to do whatever.
+> > That this is still not good enough, blergh!
+> 
+> My phrasing wasn't the best one, I can agree with that.
+> But you did closed the bug as WONTFIX b/c I wrote "task-gnome" instead
+> of "task-gnome-minimal".
+> I think you can admit this wasn't fair, can't you?
+
+I already closed it before your comment about task-gnome. The comment
+you gave before (comment 3) was only about why it was added
+historically. You even quoted the original reason for adding it:
+| without Seahorse, there's no way to manage your gnome-keyring passwords
+
+The bug was raised because of KDE, I was looking at it from that point
+of view. You care about a minimal install, but that was not what the bug
+was reported for nor what I was thinking about.
+
+I closed it with because to me, if you don't want GNOME things in KDE,
+then don't put GNOME things in CAT_KDE. And "totem-mozilla" is to me a
+GNOME thing, not GTK thing. The WONTFIX is because for this specific
+bugreport (KDE install having GNOME stuff), the problem is
+"totem-mozilla" in KDE.
+
+That this suggests also has an affects the minimal install, ok, but the
+dependency was added (according to your comment) 1.5 years ago. So if
+this dependency was ok 1.5 years ago, why not now? (read on before
+replying please:)
+Now if in those 1.5 years things changed (dependency changes, etc) and
+this dependency now suddenly affects the minimal install, then yeah, I
+think moving the suggests somewhere else makes sense.
+
+But I didn't close it because of the minimal install. Only because of
+looking at what it was filed for: KDE dependency problems.
+
+Every time I touch task-gnome-minimal there is a huge discussion that
+the change is somehow bad/imperfect/something. I don't like that. I mean
+well and if task-gnome-minimal causes loads of complaints, then anything
+related to it I rather avoid.
+
+-- 
+Regards,
+Olav
+