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+   <H1>[Mageia-dev] Deprecating startx</H1>
+    <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B> 
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+    <I>Wed Mar  7 14:51:35 CET 2012</I>
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+<PRE>2012/3/7 Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Wolfgang Bornath at 07/03/12 12:02 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2012/3/7 Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Wolfgang Bornath at 07/03/12 10:13 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Different from Guillaume I do care about the impact for the user.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> There are many out there who are used to startx and also docs and
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> howtos which use it. Therefore we will need an explanation for
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> switching off startx. &#160;An explanation to be used in forums, which is a
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> bit more than just a link to a bug report. In other words: to be
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> understood by non-techie users.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> To answer Guillaume's question, I wasn't personally planning on removing
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> it fully. Just documenting that it is broken and that users should not
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> use this as a mechanism for starting X.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I would propose just putting in &quot;echo 'startx is deprecated. Here is
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> why..... &#160; Press any key to continue anyway.' &gt;&amp;2; read -n 1&quot; in the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> startx script such that users using it will be warned. Does this seem
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> sensible?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It is sensible and enough for the situation at hand (when the user
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> actually punches in &quot;startx&quot; and the command does not work as
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> expected). In principle on the same level of information like &quot;file
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> not found&quot;. That's all which is needed from the technical side.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> People more close to the users will have to think of an explanation
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> without tech-talk, understandable for the user who comes to the forum
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> complaining that the command he had been using for many years (or
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> which is written in a documentation) does not work.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> For the avoidance of doubt, I would expect that hitting return would
+</I>&gt;<i> still end up starting X, just that the afore mentioned (and dutifully
+</I>&gt;<i> explained to the user) problems with ACLs etc. will be present.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'll be able to write some text here that is concise, so I'll do this
+</I>&gt;<i> shortly.
+</I>
+Great!
+
+Now I'll have to teach this waltzing greybeard in the mirror some new
+moves .... :)
+
+-- 
+wobo
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