[Mageia-dev] Deprecating startx

Wed Mar 7 12:12:00 CET 2012

'Twas brillig, and EatDirt at 07/03/12 10:18 did gyre and gimble:
+> On 07/03/12 10:26, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+>> Hi,
+>>
+>> Unless someone comes along and does a reasonable amount of coding before
+>> mga2, I think we'll have to deprecate supporting startx (it can still be
+>> used in some circumstances, but audio and accelerated graphics will not
+>> be available).
+>>
+>> See this comment (and the link therein) for more info on the issue:
+>> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4652#c9
+> 
+> 
+> Hi there,
+> as many, I don't understand (yet, it not ever) systemd :)
+> But what do you mean?
+
+systemd tracks and manages user sessions. i.e. it takes over the role of
+console-kit which had many design flaws and generally makes a good job
+of managing sessions properly without any nasty hacks or work arounds.
+
+> An user could no longer starts in runlevel 3 and start an X session
+> directly ? This is the way we actually debug X, that sounds very
+> unreasonable to me.
+
+Users can still technically run startx, but the user session will not be
+seen as active and thus all sorts of things break with regards to
+setting ACLs on device nodes - e.g. on /dev/snd/* /dev/dri/* etc. Other
+things relating to session management will also likely break.
+
+You can still debug X but only for an actual X server.
+
+Anyway even when I was maintaining X a few years back, I don't think I
+ever started it from the text console. I always used the official
+methods for starting X (service dm restart in those days). So not sure
+it's really all that needed for debugging.
+
+
+Col
+
+
+-- 
+
+Colin Guthrie
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