[Mageia-dev] gstreamer0.10-faac - package request

Tue Jun 19 16:41:13 CEST 2012

2012/6/19 Colin Guthrie <mageia at colin.guthr.ie>:
+> 'Twas brillig, and jpbfree at 19/06/12 12:54 did gyre and gimble:
+>> On 19/06/2012 13:26, Oliver Burger wrote:
+>>> Am 19.06.2012 13:21, schrieb Simple w:
+>>>> 2012/6/19 Sander Lepik<sander.lepik at eesti.ee>:
+>>>>> 19.06.2012 03:29, Philippe DIDIER kirjutas:
+>>>>>> Nevertheless, until it's done and good there's no solution to work on
+>>>>>> mp4 or mpa or aac files with Mageia2 ... and certainly won't either
+>>>>>> with Mageia3 ... people who need that will go elsewhere.
+>>>>> Well, we really can't hold them back. Can we? :)
+>>>>
+>>>> Yes we could :)
+>>>>
+>>>> We would just need to add these packages. I see that Mageia developers
+>>>> want to do things correct, but listen this, i have installed
+>>>> Linuxmint 13 Cinnamon (that uses also ubuntu repos) and i have not
+>>>> added any new repos and i have faac available to install.
+>>>>
+>>>> Couldnt developers in mageia put these kind of packages simply in
+>>>> non-free repository (at least until isnt found a better solution) ?
+>>>
+>>> No! We do know, others (Ubuntu in this case) do not care about such
+>>> legal/licensing issues, but we do.
+>>> So only because someone else does jump off a building do you jump as
+>>> well?
+>>>
+>>> Oliver
+>>>
+>> Hum; we can also have another viewpoint:
+>> So only because some countries have strange laws about patents and
+>> copywright the rest of the planet should follow-on!
+>>
+>> just a constatation; not pointing at or bashing anyone.
+>
+> Without wanting to complain, this has been discussed several times before.
+>
+> We do support installing things that have patent issues. THis is the
+> whole point of the "tainted" repository. You can do this if you like.
+>
+> However we also want to ensure that people who care about Free Software
+> are also catered for, so anything that is distributed under a non-free
+> licence is shipped in the non-free repository.
+>
+> The problem specifically with faac is that it is both non-free *AND*
+> tainted.
+>
+> AFAIK, this is the only bit of software that we even half way want to
+> ship that falls into this category. As it's unmaintained and old, I do
+> not think that setting up a fourth repository (and when we setup up a
+> fourth repository it's actually five more internally: release, updates,
+> updates_testing, backports, backports_testing)
+>
+> Doing this is a lot of work.
+>
+> For one package, I personally feel we've got better things to spend our
+> time on. For the handful of people that really want this package, they
+> can rebuild it themselves. There are enough guides out there detailing
+> how to do this.
+>
+> I think it is a far better strategy generally that the effort that could
+> have been spend implementing and supporting this very special case would
+> rather be focussed on ensuring that the ffmpeg aac encoding support
+> works as needed and port applications relying on the faac to use ffmpeg
+> instead. It does seem to be under active development:
+> http://git.videolan.org/?p=ffmpeg.git;a=history;f=libavcodec/aacenc.c;hb=HEAD
+>
+> The latest ffmpeg was released just a few days ago. Has anyone actually
+> investigated the aac encoding capabilities it has?
+>
+> This is the most recent discussion I could find:
+> http://ffmpeg-users.933282.n4.nabble.com/Choosing-between-experimental-libavcodec-aac-or-faac-encoders-td4347417.html
+>
+> Seems like it would be very much worth looking at the native ffmpeg one IMO.
+
+As always Colin interventions are quite clarifying.
+
+But i thought there were more software like this, like for example
+there was in mandriva PLF, but the main issue is that severall
+applications continue depending on faac to encode and untill those
+apps dont change users will be stuck.
+
+Wouldnt be possible for someone put these software build in some
+third-party repo (untill the apps that need faac change)?
+That way users wouldnt be stuck and would be able to handle
+video/audio encodes in Mageia.
+
+> Col
+>
+>
+> --
+>
+> Colin Guthrie
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