[Mageia-dev] GNOME plans

Mon Jun 4 19:32:47 CEST 2012

On Mon, Jun 04, 2012 at 05:51:11PM +0200, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
+> 2012/6/4 Olav Vitters <olav at vitters.nl>:
+> > On Mon, Jun 04, 2012 at 09:13:53PM +0800, Kira wrote:
+> >> Well, I think the main point of arguing about this issue is that most
+> >> people is mostly used to other input method and they don't care about
+> >> iBus...
+> >>
+> >> Still 2 points to be answered especially for Mageia here:
+> >>
+> >> 1. In MCC, we can set up the input method in localedrake, and this
+> >> setting would be system-wide except GNOME about 3.6+. This should be
+> >> mentioned, because it would destroy the unified user experience.
+> >
+> > As said, I don't code. And unified experience I care for GNOME, that it
+> > works consistently. I care about freedesktop.org standards. I don't care
+> > for differences between distributions. E.g. MCC is great, but I prefer
+> > if it didn't exist. MCC is only Mageia/Mandriva, another distro has
+> > other things, etc.
+> > I prefer something in gnome-control-center.
+> 
+> And here we have the main point, the difference between Gnome and
+> everybody else.
+
+I'm not interested into turning this into an us vs them thread.
+
+> Gnome is a mere desktop environment, nothing more and nothing less. Period.
+> And it is not the only desktop environment nor the only way a user can
+> use the desktop. So the gnome-control-center must restrict itself to
+> settings which concern Gnome,  nothing else. Same as the KDE
+> control-center should do.
+
+- Please change your wording. You have zero say in what goes on at
+  gnome.org, nor about me. If you start by telling me what I must and
+  must not do, it is better to not respond.
+- I clearly stated freedesktop.org standards
+- Maybe to clarify my point: When using GNOME, there should not be any
+  need to resort to a distro specific configuration tool. E.g. xorg
+  should be setup automatically, not require any distro assistance. It
+  is long term and difficult.
+
+> Very simple and easy to understand reason: Not everbody uses Gnome or
+> KDE. If system settings will be done by Gnome and KDE control-centers,
+> we'd still need yet another "setting-center" for  people who do not
+> use Gnome nor KDE. Simple logic that such a diversity makes no sense
+> at all.
+
+You clearly care about MCC, cool. But respect other people's opinion.
+I'd like to clarify more, but IMO, the mention freedesktop.org standard
+should be clear enough.
+
+> It would only make sense if Gnome was a Linux system of its own. Which
+> it is clearly not.
+
+You're assuming things I did not state. Such as that there is nothing
+outside of GNOME, etc.
+
+To make clear: I think it is stupid that various distributions have
+their own specific configuration tools. That should be shared across
+distributions.
+Secondly, I think you should be able to do everything from within System
+Settings.
+
+Two different points, not one.
+
+-- 
+Regards,
+Olav
+