[Mageia-dev] %_libexecdir - Re: [5228] revert some duplicated manbo stuff (all identical to default but

Fri Jul 27 22:33:54 CEST 2012

On 27 July 2012 21:43, Christiaan Welvaart <cjw at daneel.dyndns.org> wrote:
+>> This adds 1-3% to each package but it makes us have usefufull traces by
+>> default >> (at least with function names)
+>> Not as good as having debug packages installed by default, but still
+>> better.
+>> This is enabled in FC18.
+>
+> Tough question:
+> - Do we have bugs not being solved because the reporter doesn't install
+>   debug packages?
+
+We've bugs where people never answer when asked to install those.
+There're newbies who fail to install them despite some.
+There're quantic bugs that happen to quite some people but are not
+easy reproduced so it's too late when people install debug packages
+or it won't reproduce in gdb in 20 rounds.
+Or if they happen to reproduce a month later, the debug packages are
+then too old.
+
+And that was for our C/perl tools.
+For C++ stuff, it's worse w/o debug info.
+
+Also, quoting Fedora:
+"Install minimal debuginfo by default to increase quality of bug
+reports and allow easier support for profiling and user space tracing.
+(...)
+We get better bug reports by default, even when offline or on a bad
+link, without users having to wait while downloading large amounts of
+data, or having to send possibly privacy sensitive core information to
+anyone. Additionally this will work for all packages built on the
+system (not only the official packages, but also site-specific
+packages) and will work with or without ABRT (some sites may not want
+to send bug reports to ABRT but collect them locally).
+
+It will also make it easier to do things like system wide profiling,
+userspace dynamic probes and causual debugging.
+(...)
+Fedora 18 ships with a small subset of debug information by default.
+Full debug information is still available in the debuginfo packages. "
+
+> - Can we spare this space on the DVDs? My guess is no but I don't build
+>   (nor use) them.
+>
+> For cauldron we can expect people to install debug packages when necessary.
+
+Well, see above, in years I've see strange "quantic" bugs that
+happened to quite some
+people but nearly noone could reproduce which took years to kill bits
+by bits in eg: perl.
+