[Mageia-dev] please stop doing "bugs" for updating magia 1

Fri Jan 13 10:28:57 CET 2012

Christian Lohmaier a écrit :
+> On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 8:04 PM, Juan Luis Baptiste<juancho at mageia.org>  wrote:
+>    
+>> On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 1:01 PM, Christian Lohmaier
+>> <lohmaier+mageia at googlemail.com>  wrote:
+>>      
+>>> On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 10:09 PM, Juan Luis Baptiste<juancho at mageia.org>  wrote:
+>>>        
+>>>> [..]
+>>>> As I said, no one is talking about picking up a fix if there's a bug
+>>>> fix only release, it's for when it isn't and we need to reduce the
+>>>> chance of regressions by taking the modifications that *exactly* fix
+>>>> that bug.
+>>>>          
+>>> I strongly disagree. The policy is stating the exact opposite. And
+>>> also Michael seems to defend the policy as it is written, and not your
+>>> interpretation here.
+>>>        
+>> No, I'm doing exactly as the policy says, patch current stable
+>> version.
+>>      
+> But then you're *not* doing as the policy says, as policy says:
+> "same version of the package *released with the distribution*"
+> So whatever version that ended up in the initial release of the
+> distro. Not what is available upstream.
+>    
+
+To make things entirely clear, the agreed base policy (in various 
+meetings) was that updates should contain no new features.  Thus in 
+general, a (verified) bug fix only release from upstream would qualify 
+as an update.
+This being subject to exceptions, which were later agreed on after much 
+discussion.
+
+Of course, to conform with our base policy of no new features in 
+updates, if an upstream release contains any new features (and doesn't 
+qualify for the exceptions), then bug fixes obviously have to be applied 
+in patches.  (Which is probably why the editor of the wiki page erred.)
+(Other factors, such as version number dependancies, would have to be 
+considered as well.)
+In other respects, this page accords with agreed policy.
+
+I don't really see the point of doing all this arguing about a wiki page 
+that doesn't completely accord with update policy.  We just have to fix 
+the wiki page.
+
+>> The thing about bugfix only releases is something that it
+>> seems packagers have been doing implicitly as pterjan said before, and
+>> needs to be added to the policy.
+>>      
+> Yes, but this then changes the policy drastically (for the better, so
+> please change it)
+>    
+
+It is not that drastic a change.  The effect is essentially the same, 
+although it is of course much easier -- and generally safer -- to apply 
+a (verified) bug fix only release from upstream.
+As stated above, and mentioned by others posting to this thread, the 
+wiki page does not accurately affect the policy.  (It is focusing on a 
+means of complying with the policy, rather than the policy itself.)
+
+> And when I write "whatever is against the policy" - I'm referring to
+> what is written in the wiki, not what people actually do.
+>    
+
+Policy is what was agreed on, and not any errors that may exist in what 
+is written in the wiki.  We have corrected many similar errors in the wiki.
+
+Calling your understanding of the policy "stupid" is not necessarily the 
+most diplomatic approach.
+
+> ciao
+> Christian
+>    
+
+Regards
+
+-- 
+André
+
+