[Mageia-dev] PHP + phpBB mod capabilities needed to fix bug 1956 - please help

Thu Jan 12 19:21:47 CET 2012

On 12/01/12 17:47, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
+> 2012/1/12 Marja van Waes<marja11 at xs4all.nl>:
+>> On 12/01/12 15:48, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
+>>> 2012/1/12 Marja van Waes<marja11 at xs4all.nl>:
+>>>> Moreover, in article 18 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights it
+>>>> says:
+>>>> Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and
+>>>> religion.......
+>>>>
+>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Declaration_of_Human_Rights#Article_18
+>>> Yes, so why do you deny these right sto the majority of the forum people?
+>>>
+>> I don't :)
+>> I don't even deny it when our seeming majority would turn out to be a
+>> minority.
+>>
+>> Please be careful with the words "the majority", we don't have a good tool
+>> yet to know what everybody wants.
+> Hmm, from the people who participated in the initial discussion which
+> led to the council compromise I count 2 in favor of the limitation,
+> the rest against it. This I call a majority.
+> During the 8 months since we have this issue I read lots of complaints
+> about the limitation, I did not read any post in favor of it. This is
+> what I call a majority.
+
+I don't.
+
+There are a forum thread and a bug report with a lot of harsh words, and 
+only a minority of the Mageia community participated. It is possible 
+that the angry majority there has the same opinion as the real majority, 
+but we don't know yet.
+
+
+> In an election or a poll (a democratic process) how much weight do
+> those have who do not give their vote? In every election there is a
+> number of people who do not vote, either because they don't care or
+> none of the given options is to their liking. But I haven't seen an
+> election or poll where the "silent" number was counted in favor for
+> one side or the other. So, if you are talking about the silent
+> majority I can ask you rightfully, on which side the silent majority
+> would be.
+>
+I was not clear, sorry.
+
+IMHO, if every Mageia community member had received an invitation to 
+vote in a virtual polling station, seperated from the emotional forum 
+thread about the issue, there would have been a lot more votes.
+
+* It is well known that people can vote differently when there votes are 
+seen then when they are not seen.
+* Also a thread where such harsh words are said, makes some people run 
+away, and others reluctant to say what they think, for fear everything 
+might escalate further.
+* Apart from that, there are community members who never were aware this 
+thread was there
+* and others were, but didn't know it was the place to vote.
+
+Of course I don't know what outcome a proper democratic voting would 
+have given.
+>>> I guess you agree that those principles where written with the spirit
+>>> of democracy behind it all - so you agree also that those declarations
+>>> do not say that one has the right to force his opinion on all others.
+>>
+>> Of course not. Funny that you seem to think maât did that, I didn't see him
+>> force anyone to use the forum as it is.
+> Then you think that his behavior is ok and everybody who doesn't like
+> it can leave? That is not funny. It is against all that Mageia stands
+> for.
+> I think we do not have different opinions, we are living in different worlds.
+>
+
+I think that if a real majority wants a forum with unlimited edit time, 
+that we should have it.
+
+My point is, that Maât isn't our slave, we can't force him to do it, never.
+
+So then it would be necessary to look for someone else to take Maât's 
+place.
+
+I hope that if that happens, we'll at least manage to be nice to him and 
+thank him for the work he has done.
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