[Mageia-dev] please stop doing "bugs" for updating magia 1

Thu Jan 12 09:48:40 CET 2012

On Wednesday, 11 January 2012 22:10:01 Juan Luis Baptiste wrote:
+> On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 2:10 PM, Michael Scherer <misc at zarb.org> wrote:
+> > Le mercredi 11 janvier 2012 à 11:24 -0500, Juan Luis Baptiste a écrit :
+> > 
+> > So trusting and having bugs are totally unrelated. And if you doubt that
+> > bugs appear, just see our bugzilla.
+> > We trust upstream ( most of them ), and yet there is bugs.
+> 
+> No, they're not totally unrelated when we don't have the man power to
+> do through QA on every package, we need to trust on the packager (and
+> upstream of course) that he did his best to test the new version
+> without expecting him to have tested all the new features, Or do you
+> expect that a QA member get a list of all the new features of a
+> backport and start testing them one by one ? that's what I call
+> unrealistic in practice.
+> 
+> >> If you think that all version backports should be tested in the same
+> >> way as updates by QA, then all versions upgrades in cauldron should be
+> >> tested by QA before pushing them to the BS right ?
+> > 
+> > No, they should be tested before being put in the stable release. And
+> > that's exactly what we do by freezing and testing before release.
+> 
+> Of course but again, we can't test *all* the new features of *all* the
+> programs that are going to a new release, we do our best for most of
+> them. Critical components like installer, kernel, drak* tools, etc
+> need more testing and that's where (our very small team) QA should
+> spend their time after a freeze. The rest we have to do our best to
+> test after each version update of a package.
+
+And this is IMHO why we should not necessarily enforce full QA on backports.
+
+It is ridiculous to enforce more testing on a package in backports, than most 
+likely was done for it while in cauldron before a release, especially 
+considering the user has a relatively easy mechanism for reverting to the 
+working package.
+
+If QA can state definitively that every package in a release is fully tested, 
+then I might agree.
+
+But, some of the reason to *have* backports is to allow users on stable 
+releases to test new versions that exist in cauldron.
+
+Regards,
+Buchan
+