[Mageia-dev] latest kernels not powering off machines on shutdown

Thu Aug 9 21:52:20 CEST 2012

On 9 August 2012 21:31, Colin Guthrie <mageia at colin.guthr.ie> wrote:
+> 'Twas brillig, and Pascal Terjan at 09/08/12 20:04 did gyre and gimble:
+>> Yes because it totally makes sense to have a command to halt the
+>> operating system but leave the machine using some power for nothing
+>> (and preventing you from powering it on with wol). I am sure someone
+>> believes it can be useful in some strange scenario.
+>
+> It's very useful and it was essential for me during the previous release
+> to debug shutdown logic.
+
+That's off topic.
+We hide kernel messages on boot despite them being usefull for debugging
+
+And for end users, it's horrible: they think the computer is frozen.
+If they didn't press <escape> before, they've no way to understand what
+happen!
+
+> I want to see and read the debug that happens here and with a regular
+> poweroff the debug disappears before you can read it. It's maybe not
+> something you want to use regularly, but it doesn't mean it's not
+> useful. There were always "poweroff" and "halt" commands - the names
+> speak for themselves, it's just people got used to broken behaviour in
+> the past. If you want to power your machine down, just type "poweroff".
+> If you want to halt it, then type "halt". Kinda self explanatory really.
+> Use the right tool for the right job :)
+
+Yet it's again 12 years of pratice, against documentation on internet
+and the like
+