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[Mageia-dev] lxde under gdm ?

+ Ahmad Samir + ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com +
+ Sat Mar 26 01:15:27 CET 2011 +

+
+ +
On 26 March 2011 00:13, Frank Griffin <ftg at roadrunner.com> wrote:
+> This is probably an incredibly stupid question, but is LXDE expected to work
+> in conjunction with GDM ?
+>
+> I thought I'd give LXDE a try, but both from my usual ID and a new ID, it
+> crashes X (or appears to) and flips right back to the DM screen.
+>
+> I know there are LXDE advocates here, so before I enter a bug report I
+> thought I'd ask the obvious question.
+>
+
+Weird... it worked IIRC. I'll test again with latest cauldron updates.
+
+-- 
+Ahmad Samir
+
+ + + + +
+

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[Mageia-dev] Please welcome a new packager

+ Wolfgang Bornath + molch.b at googlemail.com +
+ Sat Mar 26 05:49:32 CET 2011 +

+
+ +
2011/3/25 Frank Griffin <ftg at roadrunner.com>:
+> On 03/25/2011 03:49 PM, Anne nicolas wrote:
+>>
+>> 2011/3/25 Remy CLOUARD<shikamaru at mandriva.org>:
+>>>
+>>> Welcome Oliver !
+>>
+>> Indeed welcome in hell :)
+
+Ah, so this is where he wasted all the time he should have spent on
+really important work! :)
+
+Although I realize that I have lost you now to the alluring world of
+packaging, I wish you good luck and may your specs always taste sweet!
+
+-- 
+wobo
+
+ + + + + + + +
+

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[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer

+ andre999 + andr55 at laposte.net +
+ Sat Mar 26 06:11:40 CET 2011 +

+
+ +
Frank Griffin a écrit :
+>
+> On 03/25/2011 12:34 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote:
+>> My two cents as an user:
+>>
+>>> Presumably, FLOSS supporters are satisfied with the state of the current
+>>> ISOs, and https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=523 would address
+>>> extending install functionality without changing the content of the
+>>> existing ISOs, which should be an improvement over where we are now
+>>> without corrupting the FLOSS purity of the existing ISOs.
+>> Not all "FLOSS supporters" believe that ISOs should be "pure".
+>> I would label myself a FLOSS partisan (having contributed in FLOSS
+>> projects for 10 years), and yet I don't really make a fuss if an
+>> ISO contains non-free software, especially if such software is
+>> necessary for good use of some peripherals...
+>
+> Neither do I.
+>
+>> By labelling "FLOSS supporters" only the partisans of aforementioned
+>> "purity" (a term which, in any political context, should really give you
+>> shivers), you are making the community as a whole a disservice. It is
+>> not "the purists" vs. "the realists", or some other caricatural
+>> reduction of reality.
+>
+> The labeling was for typographical convenience, simply a way to
+> differentiate one camp in this discussion from the other, and was pretty
+> obviously not a part of the intrinsic arguments.
+>
+> I'm on neither side in this; my interest is in having the install
+> support wireless networking, which has nothing to do with whether there
+> is one ISO or two. All the necessary files are already in the distro, I
+> just want the install to use them if they're available. That is not a
+> FLOSS/non-FLOSS/sorta-FLOSS issue. I install cooker/cauldron only, and I
+> haven't installed from an ISO since I got involved with cooker except as
+> an occasional test.
+>
+> I don't care how many ISOs there are, or whether the installer gets
+> these files from the moon. I just figure I have a better chance of
+> seeing this implemented if I point out that two ISOs steps on as few
+> toes as possible, given the current contents of the DVDs. If you want to
+> take up cudgels about merging them for an additional 1% or so of user
+> experience, be my guest.
+
+ From what you say, there are not a lot of points of disagreement 
+between us, on this issue.
+We both have contributed to open source for a long time, you apparently 
+mostly on developement/packaging, myself mostly translating/ aide in 
+forums, with some contributions to development.  (Currently an 
+apprentice packager.)
+
+You find 2 isos a minor inconvenience, but in practice normally install 
+online, from cooker/cauldron.
+
+Myself, I find a single DVD that contains everything I need to get a 
+fully working system (in terms of hardware/drivers) a major convenience, 
+and do not have the luxury of the bandwidth necessary to install from 
+the internet.
+I don't know if you have ever installed from Mandriva's 3-cd set, but 
+juggling 3 cds on installing a package is a hassle that I very much 
+prefer to avoid.  One iso is great.
+
+As well, I appreciate very much the ability to do a complete, fully 
+working reinstall without internet access.
+(To facilitate this, I keep packages installed from sources other than 
+the DVD in a separate partition.)
+
+The single DVD is not only useful for myself.  It is handy to promote 
+Linux as well.  Unfortunately, with missing firmware and drivers, the 
+DVD will not fully work on many systems.  And new users prefer a 
+_single_ iso that just works.  Having to juggle isos is a deterant.
+
+On the question of space on the DVD, you must admit that all the 
+(non-free) firmware and drivers (not already included) would not take an 
+enormous amount of space.
+Note that on the Mandriva 2010.2 DVD, for example, the 2 biggest games 
+take about 100 M and 40 M repectively.
+It is simply a matter of priorities.
+
+In sum, it is easy to understand your point of view, as you don't 
+(normally) use isos.
+Please understand the point of view of those who do, particularly those 
+who have serious bandwidth restrictions.
+
+<aside>
+There are others who militate for a "free-only" DVD, but seem to be 
+unaware that no distro contains only "free" software, not even Fedora.
+Just as no distro runs on "free/non-proprietary" hardware.
+</aside>
+
+-- 
+André
+
+ + + + + + + +
+

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[Mageia-dev] lxde under gdm ?

+ David Pernot + dpernot at gmail.com +
+ Sat Mar 26 08:51:16 CET 2011 +

+
+ +
I had this issue too, yesterday after my daily upgrade.
+I cleant my ~/.config dir and all went fine again.
+
+David
+
+2011/3/26 Ahmad Samir <ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com>:
+> On 26 March 2011 00:13, Frank Griffin <ftg at roadrunner.com> wrote:
+>> This is probably an incredibly stupid question, but is LXDE expected to work
+>> in conjunction with GDM ?
+>>
+>> I thought I'd give LXDE a try, but both from my usual ID and a new ID, it
+>> crashes X (or appears to) and flips right back to the DM screen.
+>>
+>> I know there are LXDE advocates here, so before I enter a bug report I
+>> thought I'd ask the obvious question.
+>>
+>
+> Weird... it worked IIRC. I'll test again with latest cauldron updates.
+>
+> --
+> Ahmad Samir
+>
+
+ + + +
+

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[Mageia-dev] Fwd: [RPM] cauldron core/updates_testing clementine-0.6-5.mga1

+ Maarten Vanraes + maarten.vanraes at gmail.com +
+ Sat Mar 26 09:44:07 CET 2011 +

+
+ +
Op vrijdag 25 maart 2011 21:25:25 schreef Thomas Backlund:
+> Ahmad Samir skrev 25.3.2011 20:59:
+> > The repo name in installations is "Core Testing", so the inconsistency
+> > is not fully my fault :)
+> 
+> Not anymore...
+> 
+> I fixed the naming 12 days ago when I added media.cfg to svn.
+> 
+> But since you already have the medias added, you have the old name.
+> 
+> --
+> Thomas
+
+a bit OT, but since then i had failures for core/updates, tainted/updates, 
+non-free/updates repositories getting the hdlist. not sure if it's a bug, or 
+something that's related to my own setup
+
+ + + + + + + +
+

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[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor)

+ andre999 + andr55 at laposte.net +
+ Sat Mar 26 11:23:49 CET 2011 +

+
+ +
Romain d'Alverny a écrit :
+>
+> On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 11:38, Tux99<tux99-mga at uridium.org>  wrote:
+>> Also is there an official rule somewhere that specifies:
+>>
+>> "because we don't want to have software built on a deprecated library in
+>> the repository"
+>>
+>> or is this simply an arbitrary rule that restricts freedoms of users and
+>> other packagers?
+>
+> Nothing is always written down on paper. Saying it's arbitrary because
+> it comes out of packagers' experience is a tad extreme. Saying that
+> "restricts freedoms of users" is clearly excessive here. Again, it's
+> not as if it was a closed product: users can open the box and package
+> stuff too (ah yes, it's not dead obvious to do so, but that's
+> something we can aim to improve in the coming years).
+>
+> What will come out of Mageia, in June, won't satisfy everyone. Choices
+> will have been done. A choice is arbitrary, always. It always says no
+> to something. Implying that this would "restrict freedoms of users"
+> would be laughable at best, offensive at worst, especially since this
+> is an open source project.
+>
+> That's not to say that people will just have to help themselves, we
+> expect to make something cool and useful, but we're not going to say
+> "yes!" to everything and everyone either.
+>
+>> In the early days a 'contrib' repo was suggested for not officially
+>> supported packages (I was for that idea too), this would be a good
+>> situation where a 'contrib' repo would solve this matter for everyone.
+>
+> Please open a bug for that if you think it's worth discussing it again.
+>
+> Romain
+
+Isn't there a repo just for testing packages ? (Maybe "people" or 
+"software" ?)
+Maybe if they use that they'll feel a little less "demotivated".
+And maybe once their project is stable, qt3-devel could be considered 
+just for building their package, until they switch to qt4 ?
+Just some ideas ...
+
+-- 
+André
+
+ + + + + + + + +
+

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[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer

+ Michael scherer + misc at zarb.org +
+ Sat Mar 26 13:19:10 CET 2011 +

+
+ +
On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 09:33:04AM +0100, Tux99 wrote:
+> 
+> 
+> Quote: andr55 wrote on Fri, 25 March 2011 01:29
+> 
+> > My though was essentially that firmware is so close to hardware that
+> > its 
+> > actual free/non-free status shouldn't apply - we should treat it like 
+> > (almost) part of the hardware.
+> 
+> I agree with that. After all nobody (apart from R. Stallmann) questions the
+> fact that the BIOS of their PC is non-free or all the other firmware or
+> microcode on various chips on the motherboard and on expansion cards and
+> peripherals.
+
+In fact, this bother a lot of people :
+
+People who write coreboot for example ( http://www.coreboot.org ). The project started
+because someone wanted to be sure that his cluster didn't have bios problem. It is a daunting
+task to hit any key on 1000 servers, especially if none of them have a keyboard.
+
+People who just want to know how the pc work, for example, students in low level system.
+Lack of source doesn't really help to understand and learn, at least for the average
+people.
+
+People who maybe want to understand why the driver they wrote broke with firmware update 
+( happened on some Apple laptop because apple updated something that broke video driver on linux ).
+Or why it work with some card and not some other, since they have a different firmware.
+
+People who wonder if their TPM chips is really under their control or not. Maybe a bunch of 
+loonies. Maybe they are just ex sony customers screwed by their vendor, or people
+who had 1984 on their Kindle before Amazon removed it.
+
+Or simply people that want to know what was fixed for their hardware. 
+( https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/F14/FEDORA-2010-18594 ). Or just
+want to avoid security issues ( https://events.ccc.de/congress/2010/Fahrplan/track/Hacking/4174.en.html ).
+Or avoid waiting 5 minutes delay when booting a server for likely no good reason.
+
+Or people that have trouble because the lack of free software in their area
+prevent them from doing their work as security researcher, as demonstrated by
+the project Osmocombb ( http://bb.osmocom.org/trac/ ).
+
+But, yes maybe if we remove some security researchers, some cluster admins, 
+some people that would prefer to not be screwed by vendor, some kernel developpers, 
+some impatient sysadmins, some students, some coders and RMS, there is no one who 
+question it.
+
+-- 
+Michael Scherer
+
+ + + + + + + + +
+

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[Mageia-dev] lxde under gdm ?

+ David Pernot + dpernot at gmail.com +
+ Sat Mar 26 14:01:43 CET 2011 +

+
+ +
I had it again after resizing  screen under virtualbox.
+After reboot it's ok.
+
+2011/3/26 David Pernot <dpernot at gmail.com>:
+> I had this issue too, yesterday after my daily upgrade.
+> I cleant my ~/.config dir and all went fine again.
+>
+> David
+>
+> 2011/3/26 Ahmad Samir <ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com>:
+>> On 26 March 2011 00:13, Frank Griffin <ftg at roadrunner.com> wrote:
+>>> This is probably an incredibly stupid question, but is LXDE expected to work
+>>> in conjunction with GDM ?
+>>>
+>>> I thought I'd give LXDE a try, but both from my usual ID and a new ID, it
+>>> crashes X (or appears to) and flips right back to the DM screen.
+>>>
+>>> I know there are LXDE advocates here, so before I enter a bug report I
+>>> thought I'd ask the obvious question.
+>>>
+>>
+>> Weird... it worked IIRC. I'll test again with latest cauldron updates.
+>>
+>> --
+>> Ahmad Samir
+>>
+>
+
+ + + +
+

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[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer

+ Maarten Vanraes + maarten.vanraes at gmail.com +
+ Sat Mar 26 14:05:41 CET 2011 +

+
+ +
Op zaterdag 26 maart 2011 13:19:10 schreef Michael scherer:
+> On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 09:33:04AM +0100, Tux99 wrote:
+> > Quote: andr55 wrote on Fri, 25 March 2011 01:29
+> > 
+> > > My though was essentially that firmware is so close to hardware that
+> > > its
+> > > actual free/non-free status shouldn't apply - we should treat it like
+> > > (almost) part of the hardware.
+> > 
+> > I agree with that. After all nobody (apart from R. Stallmann) questions
+> > the fact that the BIOS of their PC is non-free or all the other firmware
+> > or microcode on various chips on the motherboard and on expansion cards
+> > and peripherals.
+> 
+> In fact, this bother a lot of people :
+> 
+> People who write coreboot for example ( http://www.coreboot.org ). The
+> project started because someone wanted to be sure that his cluster didn't
+> have bios problem. It is a daunting task to hit any key on 1000 servers,
+> especially if none of them have a keyboard.
+> 
+> People who just want to know how the pc work, for example, students in low
+> level system. Lack of source doesn't really help to understand and learn,
+> at least for the average people.
+> 
+> People who maybe want to understand why the driver they wrote broke with
+> firmware update ( happened on some Apple laptop because apple updated
+> something that broke video driver on linux ). Or why it work with some
+> card and not some other, since they have a different firmware.
+> 
+> People who wonder if their TPM chips is really under their control or not.
+> Maybe a bunch of loonies. Maybe they are just ex sony customers screwed by
+> their vendor, or people who had 1984 on their Kindle before Amazon removed
+> it.
+> 
+> Or simply people that want to know what was fixed for their hardware.
+> ( https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/F14/FEDORA-2010-18594 ). Or just
+> want to avoid security issues (
+> https://events.ccc.de/congress/2010/Fahrplan/track/Hacking/4174.en.html ).
+> Or avoid waiting 5 minutes delay when booting a server for likely no good
+> reason.
+> 
+> Or people that have trouble because the lack of free software in their area
+> prevent them from doing their work as security researcher, as demonstrated
+> by the project Osmocombb ( http://bb.osmocom.org/trac/ ).
+> 
+> But, yes maybe if we remove some security researchers, some cluster admins,
+> some people that would prefer to not be screwed by vendor, some kernel
+> developpers, some impatient sysadmins, some students, some coders and RMS,
+> there is no one who question it.
+
+i agree that free software is important, but if it's a blob without released 
+source code but with BSD license, i really don't see the problem. perhaps 
+someone could just ask the people who licensed it, for the source code...? but 
+this is a thing to do for FSF, not mageia. that is my point.
+
+it doesn't mean i don't agree with what those people are doing, they should 
+release it with it. But that still doesn't make it the job of Mageia to fix 
+that.
+
+ + + + + + + +
+

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[Mageia-dev] Please welcome a new packager

+ L B + luke.b3103 at googlemail.com +
+ Sat Mar 26 18:47:55 CET 2011 +

+
+ +
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[Mageia-dev] lxde under gdm ?

+ Ahmad Samir + ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com +
+ Sat Mar 26 18:58:05 CET 2011 +

+
+ +
On 26 March 2011 02:15, Ahmad Samir <ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com> wrote:
+> On 26 March 2011 00:13, Frank Griffin <ftg at roadrunner.com> wrote:
+>> This is probably an incredibly stupid question, but is LXDE expected to work
+>> in conjunction with GDM ?
+>>
+>> I thought I'd give LXDE a try, but both from my usual ID and a new ID, it
+>> crashes X (or appears to) and flips right back to the DM screen.
+>>
+>> I know there are LXDE advocates here, so before I enter a bug report I
+>> thought I'd ask the obvious question.
+>>
+>
+> Weird... it worked IIRC. I'll test again with latest cauldron updates.
+>
+> --
+> Ahmad Samir
+>
+
+It looks like X crashes, please check /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old...
+
+-- 
+Ahmad Samir
+
+ + +
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[Mageia-dev] Fwd: [RPM] cauldron core/updates_testing clementine-0.6-5.mga1

+ Thomas Backlund + tmb at iki.fi +
+ Sat Mar 26 20:49:54 CET 2011 +

+
+ +
lör 2011-03-26 klockan 10:44 +0200 skrev Maarten Vanraes:
+> Op vrijdag 25 maart 2011 21:25:25 schreef Thomas Backlund:
+> > Ahmad Samir skrev 25.3.2011 20:59:
+> > > The repo name in installations is "Core Testing", so the inconsistency
+> > > is not fully my fault :)
+> > 
+> > Not anymore...
+> > 
+> > I fixed the naming 12 days ago when I added media.cfg to svn.
+> > 
+> > But since you already have the medias added, you have the old name.
+> > 
+> > --
+> > Thomas
+> 
+> a bit OT, but since then i had failures for core/updates, tainted/updates, 
+> non-free/updates repositories getting the hdlist. not sure if it's a bug, or 
+> something that's related to my own setup
+
+Try to remove and readd the medias, does it help ?
+
+--
+Thomas
+
+
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[Mageia-dev] Fwd: [RPM] cauldron core/updates_testing clementine-0.6-5.mga1

+ Maarten Vanraes + maarten.vanraes at gmail.com +
+ Sat Mar 26 20:56:30 CET 2011 +

+
+ +
Op zaterdag 26 maart 2011 20:49:54 schreef Thomas Backlund:
+> lör 2011-03-26 klockan 10:44 +0200 skrev Maarten Vanraes:
+> > Op vrijdag 25 maart 2011 21:25:25 schreef Thomas Backlund:
+> > > Ahmad Samir skrev 25.3.2011 20:59:
+> > > > The repo name in installations is "Core Testing", so the
+> > > > inconsistency is not fully my fault :)
+> > > 
+> > > Not anymore...
+> > > 
+> > > I fixed the naming 12 days ago when I added media.cfg to svn.
+> > > 
+> > > But since you already have the medias added, you have the old name.
+> > > 
+> > > --
+> > > Thomas
+> > 
+> > a bit OT, but since then i had failures for core/updates,
+> > tainted/updates, non-free/updates repositories getting the hdlist. not
+> > sure if it's a bug, or something that's related to my own setup
+> 
+> Try to remove and readd the medias, does it help ?
+> 
+> --
+> Thomas
+
+i'm going to doublecheck later, but i thought it was the MD5SUM that wasn't 
+correct.
+
+ + +
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[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer

+ Anssi Hannula + anssi.hannula at iki.fi +
+ Sat Mar 26 22:55:33 CET 2011 +

+
+ +
On 24.03.2011 22:27, Romain d'Alverny wrote:
+> On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 20:08, Anssi Hannula <anssi.hannula at iki.fi> wrote:
+>> On 24.03.2011 19:35, Romain d'Alverny wrote:
+>>> Summary (from http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=licensing_policy):
+>>>  * core: stuff that is not Free/Open Source according to OSI/FSF does
+>>> not belong here. Not even closed-source stuff that we can
+>>> redistribute. So if there is at this time, that's something to fix.
+>>
+>> Most of files in kernel-firmware (which is in core) are not OSI/FSF free
+>> (approximate list from 2010 [1]). There was a short thread about that
+>> [2] where I asked the question if they should be moved to non-free due
+>> to them not being OSI/FSF free, and tmb agreed, while pterjan disagreed
+>> (saying BSD without source code (where a portion of the firmware files
+>> in question fall) is eligible for core).
+>>
+>> [1] http://lists.mandriva.com/cooker/2010-01/msg00525.php
+>> [2] https://mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/20110115/002172.html
+> 
+> Ah right, sorry for overlooking this.
+> 
+> So what do we do? amend core inclusion definition for that? or move
+> these to nonfree? (and at what cost?)
+
+I don't really have a strong preference here, as long as
+1) it is consistent, and
+2) users are happy (e.g. no situation where even the free radeon driver
+doesn't work with any ISO)
+
+> topic for next Council meeting
+> to decide?
+
+Probably.
+
+> would you like to write a summary for this in
+> http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=meeting:council_notes_2011_03_28#open_questions
+> ?
+
+OK, seems I was late, sorry. The summary looks good.
+
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[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer

+ Oliver Burger + oliver.bgr at googlemail.com +
+ Sat Mar 26 23:15:22 CET 2011 +

+
+ +
Anssi Hannula <anssi.hannula at iki.fi> schrieb am 26.03.2011
+> I don't really have a strong preference here, as long as
+> 1) it is consistent, and
+> 2) users are happy (e.g. no situation where even the free radeon
+> driver doesn't work with any ISO)
+Couldn't we have the following:
+
+- Live CDs (like Mandriva One, including proprietary stuff) (live cds 
+are planned, aren't they?
+- A purely free, libre and open source installer dvd
+- An addon cd for the installer dvd containing the firmware, drivers 
+and stuff?
+
+I know, if we have those "One-like" live cds, we don't really need the 
+last one, but I'm quite sure, there are more people than me out here, 
+who prefer a normal installer iso over a live cd...
+
+Oliver
+
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[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer

+ Maarten Vanraes + maarten.vanraes at gmail.com +
+ Sat Mar 26 23:37:55 CET 2011 +

+
+ +
Op zaterdag 26 maart 2011 23:15:22 schreef Oliver Burger:
+> Anssi Hannula <anssi.hannula at iki.fi> schrieb am 26.03.2011
+> 
+> > I don't really have a strong preference here, as long as
+> > 1) it is consistent, and
+> > 2) users are happy (e.g. no situation where even the free radeon
+> > driver doesn't work with any ISO)
+> 
+> Couldn't we have the following:
+> 
+> - Live CDs (like Mandriva One, including proprietary stuff) (live cds
+> are planned, aren't they?
+> - A purely free, libre and open source installer dvd
+> - An addon cd for the installer dvd containing the firmware, drivers
+> and stuff?
+> 
+> I know, if we have those "One-like" live cds, we don't really need the
+> last one, but I'm quite sure, there are more people than me out here,
+> who prefer a normal installer iso over a live cd...
+> 
+> Oliver
+
+During the times mandriva had several CDs to install it, the new ones often 
+only dl'ed one and complained when stuff didn't work.
+
+I forsee possibly here the same issue with this, people will forget to 
+download the extra non_free CD, or do not care about non_free; wipe their 
+windows, install mageia, and have no networking to even get drivers anymore.
+
+how would we advertise this anyway? this extra CD contains non_free software, 
+but if you have an machine with networking from vendor X with types Y,Z,... 
+you will absolutely need this to have functional networking?
+
+it sounds to me like an awful lot of extra work, and complaints, etc...
+
+but, maybe every new person uses liveCDs to install, i never did, so i 
+wouldn't know.
+
+pfff, this is really a difficult topic...
+
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