[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor)

Fri Mar 25 14:36:15 CET 2011

'Twas brillig, and Tux99 at 25/03/11 12:10 did gyre and gimble:
+> 
+> 
+> Quote: Colin Guthrie wrote on Fri, 25 March 2011 12:43
+> 
+>> "Freedom" is in no way restricted. I see absolutely no problem with
+>> compiling a qt3 package yourself with the -devel package enabled if
+>> you
+>> want to use it. 
+> 
+> But isn't one of the reasons for participating in a community distro,
+> wanting to share what each of us builds for ourselves?
+> 
+> And if such sharing is being vetoed preemptively in advance without an
+> objective reason based on facts but rather based on fears and personal
+> opinions, isn't that an unnecessary restriction of freedom that doesn't
+> suit a true community distro?
+
+Compare it to sharing an apartment/house with some friends.
+
+Do you want the other people to leave their unwashed clothes all over
+the laundry room, or unwashed dishes piling up in the kitchen? Or would
+you prefer that everyone works together to keep things neat and tidy?
+
+If you take each individual freedom to it's logical extreme, then
+sharing a house would allow for the messiest person in the world to
+share space with the tidiest. Each has the right to their own feelings
+and ways of being, but in reality such a combination simply wouldn't
+work. There has to be middle ground that is reached. That's the whole
+point in a community. You cannot expect everyone to automatically agree
+with your take on things. It's clear that some people do agree with your
+and some don't. This shouldn't be overly surprising.
+
+Personally I'd rather keep things tidy and not enable things unless
+there is a direct need for it (e.g. a dependency). If and when there is
+an app that requires qt3 in the official repos, then that is such a dep,
+but until then, it makes sense to keep things neat, especially when
+rebuilding qt3 with the devel package (and patching it accordingly it
+seems) is such a trivial step compared to the relatively massive job of
+the TDE itself. If TDE is going to be made available in Mageia directly
+then by all means, qt3 will have to be patched and updated accordingly,
+but it seems rather pre-emptive to get worried about something that
+remains to be proven at the current time. Real reasons are better than
+hypothetical ones.
+
+And if I'm honest, you've referred to other peoples opinions continually
+as "non-objective" while I'm pretty sure all the reasons I've seen on
+this thread (and my own feelings) are perfectly objective and logical
+and I find it rather dismissive that someone should belittle others by
+continually stating they are not. They are not non-objective, you just
+happen not to agree with them! That's fine, you are perfectly within
+your rights to disagree, just don't confuse the two.
+
+There is a very clear route forward and it's incredibly simple, just
+rebuild your own QT3. As said above, if/when the whole of TDM goes into
+Mageia, then the "official" qt3 can be adjusted as it's needed.
+
+It was Donald Knuth who said "Premature optimization is the root of all
+evil", and the same can be said of "Speculative Packaging" IMO!
+
+Col
+
+
+
+
+-- 
+
+Colin Guthrie
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+http://colin.guthr.ie/
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