[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor)

Fri Mar 25 12:33:18 CET 2011

On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 12:14, Tux99 <tux99-mga at uridium.org> wrote:
+> Quote: rdalverny wrote on Fri, 25 March 2011 11:56
+>> A choice is arbitrary, always. It always says no
+>> to something. Implying that this would "restrict freedoms of users"
+>> would be laughable at best, offensive at worst, especially since this
+>> is an open source project.
+>
+> You seem to be confusing different concepts here, just because a project is
+> based on open source software that doesn't automatically guarantee that the
+> community based on it is a community that values freedom.
+
+Re-read our project docs, then (announcement, values, code of conduct).
+
+And understand that it's not about the freedom of getting all that you
+want without consideration for what it is, who makes it, and when and
+how.
+
+> My concerns here are exactly because I'm getting the feeling that freedom
+> is being unnecessarily restricted in Mageia.
+
+My feeling here is that, even before the technical issues at hand,
+your attitude (or at least how it is perceived) is very much the cause
+of the crispation.
+
+You seem to take this whole project as if it was a given to you. When
+people object to you based on their experience, you understand that as
+an unappropriate preference and don't even seem to listen to what is
+proposed. When things appear to you not as you expected them, you look
+like ready to dismiss the goodwill of the same people that make this
+whole project possible every single day.
+
+And that taints a lot the points you're trying to make, whatever these
+are. Collaboration is not only about facts, desires, opinions. If you
+are not able to go along well within the packaging team, only in
+discussion, it's unfortunately possible that you won't like it; others
+won't like it either. Nothing good will come out of this.
+
+>> Please open a bug for that if you think it's worth discussing it
+>> again.
+>
+> Is that now the procedure for this?
+
+For opening a bug? https://bugs.mageia.org/ => New, and explain the thing.
+
+> I would also appreciate it, if you could clarify the procedures with
+> regards to the council I asked about in my last reply to you.
+
+The board/council lists are not setup yet, unfortunately.
+
+However you may have seen on -discuss that a preparation document is
+available for next council meeting; although this coming meeting is
+already quite full, you may append your point for the next one.
+
+And that doesn't prevent from asking clearly here or on discuss that
+you want the topic to be reviewed by the council. But even there, you
+being an apprentice, I would suggest you:
+ - first, review this with your mentor;
+ - second, review this again with the packaging team;
+ - third, push this to the council if needed (where it will need to
+have both sides expose their points, for the record and the decision).
+
+Cool. And good luck.
+
+Romain
+